by Yellow & Black » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:44 pm
by Elmer J Thudpucker » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:54 pm
Yellow & Black wrote:If I was a betting man (or if there was a market available), I'd have a few quid on TV making the 5. Seem to be playing good footy atm, throw in the fact the 50/50 games are played at the very narrow Mt Torrens oval which will suit their style. Could mean round 18 becomes an early elimination final up at Thunder Park???
by The Crimson Chin » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:04 pm
Yellow & Black wrote:If I was a betting man (or if there was a market available), I'd have a few quid on TV making the 5. Seem to be playing good footy atm, throw in the fact the 50/50 games are played at the very narrow Mt Torrens oval which will suit their style. Could mean round 18 becomes an early elimination final up at Thunder Park???
by Legs Man » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:44 pm
Elmer J Thudpucker wrote:Yellow & Black wrote:If I was a betting man (or if there was a market available), I'd have a few quid on TV making the 5. Seem to be playing good footy atm, throw in the fact the 50/50 games are played at the very narrow Mt Torrens oval which will suit their style. Could mean round 18 becomes an early elimination final up at Thunder Park???
So they should - they're the only team playing in the Central Division with 18 APPS at their disposal, which gives them a clear advantage over the teams they're competing against.
by supercoach » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:44 pm
by Banker » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:40 pm
by Elmer J Thudpucker » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:46 pm
supercoach wrote:interesting isnt it. We have 2 clubs in echunga and TV who spend the bucks and have half decent a grade sides yet crap junior programs. Will it be that when they play in a few weeks time that the winner of the a grade game will determine who gets relegated ? One would think TV would win the first 4 games that day so if they won the a grade game echunga would be staring relegation in the face. Clubs like Bridgy and Ironbank and Onkas will be fine even if they dont win many a grade games as they have developed their kids and get an even points spread in the MC shield. They dont deserve to get relegated as they will be strong clubs in the next year or 2 due to their good local content coming along. It will be a great last 5 weeks of the season.
by Champ » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:29 pm
supercoach wrote:interesting isnt it. We have 2 clubs in echunga and TV who spend the bucks and have half decent a grade sides yet crap junior programs. Will it be that when they play in a few weeks time that the winner of the a grade game will determine who gets relegated ? One would think TV would win the first 4 games that day so if they won the a grade game echunga would be staring relegation in the face. Clubs like Bridgy and Ironbank and Onkas will be fine even if they dont win many a grade games as they have developed their kids and get an even points spread in the MC shield. They dont deserve to get relegated as they will be strong clubs in the next year or 2 due to their good local content coming along. It will be a great last 5 weeks of the season.
by magpiemaster » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:56 pm
Banker wrote:Throwing stones at other clubs wont help IB play finals this year Supercoach!
by Kick'n Back » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:22 am
Champ wrote:supercoach wrote:interesting isnt it. We have 2 clubs in echunga and TV who spend the bucks and have half decent a grade sides yet crap junior programs. Will it be that when they play in a few weeks time that the winner of the a grade game will determine who gets relegated ? One would think TV would win the first 4 games that day so if they won the a grade game echunga would be staring relegation in the face. Clubs like Bridgy and Ironbank and Onkas will be fine even if they dont win many a grade games as they have developed their kids and get an even points spread in the MC shield. They dont deserve to get relegated as they will be strong clubs in the next year or 2 due to their good local content coming along. It will be a great last 5 weeks of the season.
Out of interest how many Uraidla juniors are currently in your A'grade side?
by The Sorce » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:31 am
by chopper7 » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:22 am
The Sorce wrote:If you have a look at Saturdays best for Echunga 4 out of the 5 best on ground were all locals!!!!! From Saturdays results can anyone name one other Central Club with those stats????? But apparently it's BIG buck winning games not a great environment to play team football in surrounded by a solid senior and junior program. Yes there is still some work to be done across all levels but these are never quick fixes.... Already this year Echunga has delivered on the aspects required (fielding all junior teams), something that did not happen last year...
by Peakedinhighschool » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:34 am
Champ wrote:supercoach wrote:interesting isnt it. We have 2 clubs in echunga and TV who spend the bucks and have half decent a grade sides yet crap junior programs. Will it be that when they play in a few weeks time that the winner of the a grade game will determine who gets relegated ? One would think TV would win the first 4 games that day so if they won the a grade game echunga would be staring relegation in the face. Clubs like Bridgy and Ironbank and Onkas will be fine even if they dont win many a grade games as they have developed their kids and get an even points spread in the MC shield. They dont deserve to get relegated as they will be strong clubs in the next year or 2 due to their good local content coming along. It will be a great last 5 weeks of the season.
Out of interest how many Uraidla juniors are currently in your A'grade side?
by Legs Man » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:11 am
supercoach wrote:interesting isnt it. We have 2 clubs in echunga and TV who spend the bucks and have half decent a grade sides yet crap junior programs. Will it be that when they play in a few weeks time that the winner of the a grade game will determine who gets relegated ? One would think TV would win the first 4 games that day so if they won the a grade game echunga would be staring relegation in the face. Clubs like Bridgy and Ironbank and Onkas will be fine even if they dont win many a grade games as they have developed their kids and get an even points spread in the MC shield. They dont deserve to get relegated as they will be strong clubs in the next year or 2 due to their good local content coming along. It will be a great last 5 weeks of the season.
by Mop Up » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:14 am
by Mop Up » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:23 am
Legs Man wrote:supercoach wrote:interesting isnt it. We have 2 clubs in echunga and TV who spend the bucks and have half decent a grade sides yet crap junior programs. Will it be that when they play in a few weeks time that the winner of the a grade game will determine who gets relegated ? One would think TV would win the first 4 games that day so if they won the a grade game echunga would be staring relegation in the face. Clubs like Bridgy and Ironbank and Onkas will be fine even if they dont win many a grade games as they have developed their kids and get an even points spread in the MC shield. They dont deserve to get relegated as they will be strong clubs in the next year or 2 due to their good local content coming along. It will be a great last 5 weeks of the season.
Interesting but uneducated comments by SC - perhaps some sour grapes or a feeling of guilt taking into account the money IB are paying for Jarman, Alleway and Motlop without gaining the results they should.? (taking into account Echunga was also negotiating for Motlop and IB offered more so we have an understanding of this and what IB have been spending.)
I would also suspect Jarman is the highest paid playing coach in the HFL. (At his age and being the coach should he be in the side before a local?)
Uraidla,TV, Lobey and others also pay players - but maintaining a good local player number along with recruits as we are doing gives the up and coming senior colts something to aim for. (well that's the plan anyway)
Lobey and Uraidla also seem to take this path which we have adopted looking to succeed.(I am not sure of TV and how they roll except to say that the money being spent to avoid relegation is over the top)
Echunga actually has an good junior program in place but found it hard to attract junior players while playing in Country div.
Now that they are in Central - albeit with very late notification - the junior sides are on the improve with respect to both number of players and results.
All clubs recruit within Central div to compete - and it has become a vicious circle with respect to this.
Fortunately Echunga has a good spread of locals in its A grade complimented by some good recruits - which anyone who has followed our player stocks in country div would know.
Our senior colts hold their own and junior colts are slowly developing along with our under 13 side.
I also think it is reasonable for Echunga to be given the maximum allowable points when coming up from the lower division - but they were not - and hence are playing at a disadvantage against TV who have up to 18 points.
Again I pose the question - why have TV been given more points than sides below them after the 2013 season?
It will certainly be an interesting few weeks - but my money is on Echunga avoiding relegation - even with one hand tied behind it's back!
by Legs Man » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:44 am
Mop Up wrote:Legs Man wrote:supercoach wrote:interesting isnt it. We have 2 clubs in echunga and TV who spend the bucks and have half decent a grade sides yet crap junior programs. Will it be that when they play in a few weeks time that the winner of the a grade game will determine who gets relegated ? One would think TV would win the first 4 games that day so if they won the a grade game echunga would be staring relegation in the face. Clubs like Bridgy and Ironbank and Onkas will be fine even if they dont win many a grade games as they have developed their kids and get an even points spread in the MC shield. They dont deserve to get relegated as they will be strong clubs in the next year or 2 due to their good local content coming along. It will be a great last 5 weeks of the season.
Interesting but uneducated comments by SC - perhaps some sour grapes or a feeling of guilt taking into account the money IB are paying for Jarman, Alleway and Motlop without gaining the results they should.? (taking into account Echunga was also negotiating for Motlop and IB offered more so we have an understanding of this and what IB have been spending.)
I would also suspect Jarman is the highest paid playing coach in the HFL. (At his age and being the coach should he be in the side before a local?)
Uraidla,TV, Lobey and others also pay players - but maintaining a good local player number along with recruits as we are doing gives the up and coming senior colts something to aim for. (well that's the plan anyway)
Lobey and Uraidla also seem to take this path which we have adopted looking to succeed.(I am not sure of TV and how they roll except to say that the money being spent to avoid relegation is over the top)
Echunga actually has an good junior program in place but found it hard to attract junior players while playing in Country div.
Now that they are in Central - albeit with very late notification - the junior sides are on the improve with respect to both number of players and results.
All clubs recruit within Central div to compete - and it has become a vicious circle with respect to this.
Fortunately Echunga has a good spread of locals in its A grade complimented by some good recruits - which anyone who has followed our player stocks in country div would know.
Our senior colts hold their own and junior colts are slowly developing along with our under 13 side.
I also think it is reasonable for Echunga to be given the maximum allowable points when coming up from the lower division - but they were not - and hence are playing at a disadvantage against TV who have up to 18 points.
Again I pose the question - why have TV been given more points than sides below them after the 2013 season?
It will certainly be an interesting few weeks - but my money is on Echunga avoiding relegation - even with one hand tied behind it's back!
Legs - don't get sucked in by SC and then resort to his level of making statements of which you are clearly not informed enough about to make. .. you may know stuff about Echunga but you don't about IB.
i.e. - Alleway played one game during a bye for Glenelg and received no payment.
i.e. - IB offered less than Echunga to Motlop
i.e. - Jarman played one sole game
by Banker » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:57 am
Mercenary
adjective
1.
primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.
by Legs Man » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:07 pm
Banker wrote:Mercenary
adjective
1.
primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.
How much longer does this have to go on for before players/members/supporters wake up and realise its all these mercenaries that are hurting our community clubs? Imagine the facilities we could all afford if we wernet so focused on A grade finals.
Most clubs barely have a weights shed, yet the majority of A graders I know have a $1k per year gym membership. Just one season of freezing 'petrol money' could easily cover the costs of building one.
Its time for everyone to stop attacking each other, and start openly discussing internally this insane situation of every dollar raised by the hard working volunteers of the community in sponsorships/gate/bar/canteen is just being poured down the drain for short term success.
by Legs Man » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:11 pm
chopper7 wrote:The Sorce wrote:If you have a look at Saturdays best for Echunga 4 out of the 5 best on ground were all locals!!!!! From Saturdays results can anyone name one other Central Club with those stats????? But apparently it's BIG buck winning games not a great environment to play team football in surrounded by a solid senior and junior program. Yes there is still some work to be done across all levels but these are never quick fixes.... Already this year Echunga has delivered on the aspects required (fielding all junior teams), something that did not happen last year...
Lobethal, Hahndorf and Onkas have more locals than any side running around IMHO. Their best on the weekend were Nitschke (local) Aufderheide J (local) Aufderheide S (local) Jenkin T (Local) and Kye Turpin (Local). You Echunga people shouldn't throw stones either when talking about BIG buck players.... Ai$h, Lind$ay, Wil$on, Harland, Carey. These blokes are big buck players, so get off your high horse mate.
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