by Q. » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:22 am
by morell » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:18 am
by Q. » Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:19 am
by HH3 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:23 am
by WOS Dragons » Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:30 am
by morell » Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:53 am
No not at all. I know they pay some..Q. wrote:You're assuming Old Scholar teams don't pay.
by morell » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:03 am
But this is the exact point!WOS Dragons wrote:I don't think it has anything to do with being old scholars or whether or not you pay players. To me its far more critical that players get along at a club and socialise together
by Q. » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:20 am
by Mr Beefy » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:33 am
morell wrote:But this is the exact point!WOS Dragons wrote:I don't think it has anything to do with being old scholars or whether or not you pay players. To me its far more critical that players get along at a club and socialise together
If you're an old scholars club, there is a reasonable chance that a lot of the players have known eachother for a long time, gone to school together, or at least socialised together outside of footy for a long time.
If you're a mercenary club that recruits players who are there for money, this wouldn't be the case - or at least not to the same degree, which might not cause divisions or mutiny or anything like that, I am sure they're still good people, but in cut throat finals, playing for your mates that you've known since year 9, counts for a bit.
Personally speaking, I played for a team in Victoria that paid players, I was one of them, and it was different. Everyone was friendly enough towards each other but it definitely wasnt a group of mates playing together.
It's a factor come finals time IMO and might go some way to explaining CLG choking against WOS all the time.
by morell » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:03 pm
by morell » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:07 pm
With old scholars teams this has already happened organically, it takes time to forge these things.Q. wrote:Then work on the team bonding stuff. Nothing like a big night on the gas to bring blokes together.
by Q. » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:15 pm
by Q. » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:19 pm
by Boosh » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:37 pm
morell wrote:But this is the exact point!WOS Dragons wrote:I don't think it has anything to do with being old scholars or whether or not you pay players. To me its far more critical that players get along at a club and socialise together
If you're an old scholars club, there is a reasonable chance that a lot of the players have known eachother for a long time, gone to school together, or at least socialised together outside of footy for a long time.
If you're a mercenary club that recruits players who are there for money, this wouldn't be the case - or at least not to the same degree, which might not cause divisions or mutiny or anything like that, I am sure they're still good people, but in cut throat finals, playing for your mates that you've known since year 9, counts for a bit.
Personally speaking, I played for a team in Victoria that paid players, I was one of them, and it was different. Everyone was friendly enough towards each other but it definitely wasnt a group of mates playing together.
It's a factor come finals time IMO and might go some way to explaining CLG choking against WOS all the time.
by Boosh » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:39 pm
by zedman » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:02 pm
Q. wrote:But, you're working on the assumption that the majority of a team were all in the same year of high school. I don't think it quite works like that.
by morell » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:13 pm
Don't disagree with anything you've said at all. Even with Mitchell Park this year, we had the worst year on the field in living memory, but off the field we were as tight knit as ever and had a ball. Two years ago we wont the flag and went near undefeated - there were guys who played together in that side that wouldn't share a beer at the same bar more than likely.Boosh wrote:morell wrote:But this is the exact point!WOS Dragons wrote:I don't think it has anything to do with being old scholars or whether or not you pay players. To me its far more critical that players get along at a club and socialise together
If you're an old scholars club, there is a reasonable chance that a lot of the players have known eachother for a long time, gone to school together, or at least socialised together outside of footy for a long time.
If you're a mercenary club that recruits players who are there for money, this wouldn't be the case - or at least not to the same degree, which might not cause divisions or mutiny or anything like that, I am sure they're still good people, but in cut throat finals, playing for your mates that you've known since year 9, counts for a bit.
Personally speaking, I played for a team in Victoria that paid players, I was one of them, and it was different. Everyone was friendly enough towards each other but it definitely wasnt a group of mates playing together.
It's a factor come finals time IMO and might go some way to explaining CLG choking against WOS all the time.
The case in point is WOS vs North Haven, as Dragons says being old scholars has nothing to do with it and in my opinon being a close group is only part of it.
North Haven had 21 players of 22 in that game live with in a few kilometres of our club, most went to school together, played juniors together or are close friends in many cases all three. Add to that 3 sets of brothers and a father was assistant coach. I have never got along with a football team as much as I have with this one.
Yet we got comprehensively beaten by a team who was in good form, finals hardened and had an excellent game plan that was executed perfectly.
by morell » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:16 pm
Q. wrote:But, you're working on the assumption that the majority of a team were all in the same year of high school. I don't think it quite works like that.
by Q. » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:25 pm
morell wrote:Other than that, explain CLGs finals history. I sure can't.
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