by R. White » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:22 pm
by Panther32 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:50 pm
by Champ » Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:38 pm
Panther32 wrote:The HFL need to really look hard over this promotion/relegation thing because it has that many holes in it's ridiculous.
They promote the winner of the Country League so as they don't have a lopsided Central League (the whole reason for two leagues), but in theory if your junior teams are successful your A grade side could get spanked by 20 goals and no one cares, you still stay in the Central Division!
Criticise Echunga for "buying" a Premiership, when in fact the majority of players are locals or have been there for years, most played in the Country GF. Yet criticise them for their poor Junior performance but no one has mentioned how bad Uraidla's juniors are! Across the three junior sides Uraidla have won 6 games for the season, Echunga 11.
When it comes down to it, the B grade are the only reason they are going down yet all the talk is ever about is either A grade or Juniors!!!
You look at the Amateur league who use the promotion/relegation system and there are always floggings in the B grade games! They are promoted or relegated on their A grade success or failures not the B grades!
If the goal is to have an even competition then isn't that what Echunga coming up have achieved?
Like someone said, the rules need to be adjusted to get with the times.
by Champ » Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:44 pm
daysofourlives wrote:Further to that Panther32, if there is promotion/relegation why are some clubs allocated more points? This creates an unfair playing field and not every club has the same opportunity to remain in Central. Shouldnt everyone have the same points where relegation is going to be enforced?
by The Gimp » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:46 am
Champ wrote:Finally a decent piece of sense written.
Gimp if I were you I'd be voting very carefully because the latest news is that 100% of players have resigned to play in 2015 there if they hit the country div your clubs season is already shot to pieces unless your mob can errr serve something up a little better than Central div top 5?
by Legs Man » Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:04 am
by Look Good In Leather » Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:24 am
The Gimp wrote:Champ wrote:Finally a decent piece of sense written.
Gimp if I were you I'd be voting very carefully because the latest news is that 100% of players have resigned to play in 2015 there if they hit the country div your clubs season is already shot to pieces unless your mob can errr serve something up a little better than Central div top 5?
What cr@p are you dribbling now chump??
Echunga agreed to the rules at the start of the season and your club wasn't good enough to dodge relegation.
Might only be the A grade that have a tough game - at least we know the rest of our teams will have an easier game against Echunga compared to Lofty.
You keep slagging off the other clubs and your votes to stay in div 1 are slowly slipping away.....
by sideview » Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:31 am
by Legs Man » Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:53 am
sideview wrote:Perhaps Legsman you would not be in this position if you were not given extra points the year before after winning a grand final and playing in the previous 2.
So why is it you were happy for the board to give you extra points after playing in a grand final.
Country Clubs were not happy with this scenario Legsman. And I'm pretty sure you did not post any negative comments back then.
by R. White » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:27 am
by no1rangler » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:43 am
Look Good In Leather wrote:The Gimp wrote:Champ wrote:Finally a decent piece of sense written.
Gimp if I were you I'd be voting very carefully because the latest news is that 100% of players have resigned to play in 2015 there if they hit the country div your clubs season is already shot to pieces unless your mob can errr serve something up a little better than Central div top 5?
What cr@p are you dribbling now chump??
Echunga agreed to the rules at the start of the season and your club wasn't good enough to dodge relegation.
Might only be the A grade that have a tough game - at least we know the rest of our teams will have an easier game against Echunga compared to Lofty.
You keep slagging off the other clubs and your votes to stay in div 1 are slowly slipping away.....
They won the bloody premiership, they were the best club in the comp!
by The Gimp » Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:20 am
R. White wrote:Seems to me that TV have had all the support in the world from the HFL since entering the central division, and the HFL has done nothing but hinder Echunga's promotion.
I understand that the decision to have a 11 team comp is now up to the other clubs which i would say is unlikely due to the sedan move.
Then the issue should be who gets relegated. this is a whole different issue for which each club has a case for and against:
Echunga - should stay- (as legsman has pointed out on many occasions) less points than TV
- Won the A Grade flag
- Strong junior numbers - loosely worded rules around relegation points
- Should go - finished bottom of club shield (which is believed to be the measuring stick)
- B grade didnt win a game suggesting lack of depth (which i would assume will get better the longer they stay up)
TV - Should stay - Earned the right to stay by staying off bottom of club shield
- Should go - very poor junior numbers - had extra points which ultimately helped them stay off bottom of club shield
- poor facilities
Bridgy - Should stay - Strong junior program
- Seniors improving regularly on the back of junior program
- recently merged with Callington (needs time to prove benefit)
Should go - poor facilities
- may have finished bottom on points (based on loosely worded rules)
I am sure i have missed some things here but in my eyes there is only one sensible solution. Keep the 10 team comp and relegate the weakest club as a whole. TV. when i say whole i mean everything including facilities, juniors (both numbers and success) seniors (including finals).
Some may deem this unfair but life is unfair and in my opinion it is by far the best thing for the comp.
by R. White » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:00 pm
by Legs Man » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:21 pm
The Gimp wrote:R. White wrote:Seems to me that TV have had all the support in the world from the HFL since entering the central division, and the HFL has done nothing but hinder Echunga's promotion.
I understand that the decision to have a 11 team comp is now up to the other clubs which i would say is unlikely due to the sedan move.
Then the issue should be who gets relegated. this is a whole different issue for which each club has a case for and against:
Echunga - should stay- (as legsman has pointed out on many occasions) less points than TV
- Won the A Grade flag
- Strong junior numbers - loosely worded rules around relegation points
- Should go - finished bottom of club shield (which is believed to be the measuring stick)
- B grade didnt win a game suggesting lack of depth (which i would assume will get better the longer they stay up)
TV - Should stay - Earned the right to stay by staying off bottom of club shield
- Should go - very poor junior numbers - had extra points which ultimately helped them stay off bottom of club shield
- poor facilities
Bridgy - Should stay - Strong junior program
- Seniors improving regularly on the back of junior program
- recently merged with Callington (needs time to prove benefit)
Should go - poor facilities
- may have finished bottom on points (based on loosely worded rules)
I am sure i have missed some things here but in my eyes there is only one sensible solution. Keep the 10 team comp and relegate the weakest club as a whole. TV. when i say whole i mean everything including facilities, juniors (both numbers and success) seniors (including finals).
Some may deem this unfair but life is unfair and in my opinion it is by far the best thing for the comp.
i understand where you're coming from but how about a bit more accuracy?
- If Echunga had "strong junior numbers", I doubt they would've only won 11 out of 54 games. They filled all sides but I wouldn't call them strong.
- TV seniors had a pretty good year (albeit unfairly with extra points) with A's missing finals by 2 games and had 5th highest % and their B's finishing 4th.
- Comparing TV juniors to Echunga I hardly think their junior numbers were "very poor" considering they won 9 out of 54 games (2 less than Echunga).
I agree TV would be more suited to div 2 at the moment, but at least make your argument clear and unbiased.
I still think the main problem is with div 2 and if there weren't so many one-sided senior games and so many holes in the juniors, it would be a good place for some of the "div 1" clubs to come back, rebuild and head back up again to give it another crack. Long term, will the smaller towns like Echunga, Uraidla, Ironbank etc be able to sustain the spending it requires to have a crack at the div 1 premiership?
I think the big clubs like Barker, Hahndorf, Onkas etc will always be div 1 clubs but if they can fix div 2, reduce the step between the two div's, remove the stigma of relegation and have div 2 there for rebuilding smaller clubs to have a crack at success against the smaller clubs that will probably never be able to play in div 1.
by Yellow & Black » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:35 pm
by Legs Man » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:50 pm
by chopper7 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:44 am
Yellow & Black wrote:How are teams shaping up for next season? Ins/Outs? We all know Echunga have kept their entire squad apparently...
I'm hearing whispers my Tigers have lost a few key players, I'm hearing the likes of Tom Johnson & Scott Aufderheide (both to play cricket in England), Jack Bampton (moving to Melb with his brother - if he gets drafted), Joe Zadow (travelling) and Trevor Baust. Hard players to replace considering they all play for the right reasons. Have my boys missed their window as I'd expect other teams will only improve?
by Panther32 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:45 am
by MONTE CRISTO » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:52 pm
by Legs Man » Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:41 pm
MONTE CRISTO wrote:For God's sake give me a break! This is the HFL and not the ECHUNGA FOOTBALL LEAGUE!
Can anyone confirm theses Coaches for 2015:-
URAIDLA DISTRICTS - Scott Sutherland
MOUNT BARKER - ???????
LOBETHAL - Jeremy Aufderheide
BLACKWOOD - Damien Salievic
TORRENS VALLEY - Dale Eichner
BRIDGEWATER - Rob Prime
IRONBANK - Andrew Jarman
ONKAPARINGA VALLEY - Ryan McGahey
HAHNDORF - Craig Smith
MOUNT LOFTY - Bruce Dawes
Echunga - who cares, they are in Country Division!
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