MatteeG wrote:Lingy tweeted it best:
"After 3 seasons, Macca 20wins 46 losses v Clarko 28wins 40 losses. Dogs baulk v Hawks didn't. Average club v great club. Success takes time."
yep take a look at Geelong at Centrals.
by whufc » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:41 pm
MatteeG wrote:Lingy tweeted it best:
"After 3 seasons, Macca 20wins 46 losses v Clarko 28wins 40 losses. Dogs baulk v Hawks didn't. Average club v great club. Success takes time."
by hottie » Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:07 am
by CoverKing » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:24 am
David Brent wrote:mighty_tiger_79 wrote:what a ******* joke
what more can a coach do with a squad like that
I felt that they were a team slowly building - just a little too inconsistent
so I hope the western bulldogs and the senior players that forced this decision play out their remaining days in a team that sits at the bottom of the ladder
no wonder they haven't won a flag since noah was a boy!
This is the coach that dropped Mcrea mid year for no apparent reason, after he was dominating on all fronts for them.
by gadj1976 » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:30 am
by mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:31 pm
by Pup » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:31 pm
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:I wonder if the recent events helped stop Lonergan from leaving Geelong
by Hondo » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:33 pm
MatteeG wrote:Lingy tweeted it best:
"After 3 seasons, Macca 20wins 46 losses v Clarko 28wins 40 losses. Dogs baulk v Hawks didn't. Average club v great club. Success takes time."
by mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:40 pm
by Hondo » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:54 pm
by Pup » Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:02 pm
Hondo wrote:MatteeG wrote:Lingy tweeted it best:
"After 3 seasons, Macca 20wins 46 losses v Clarko 28wins 40 losses. Dogs baulk v Hawks didn't. Average club v great club. Success takes time."
It's not a great record though let's be honest. What do we want clubs to do ... persist with finishing 14th and losing to GWS in the last round?
I get the gripe that Griffin seems to have tipped the boat but if we are brutally honest do senior players question the really good coaches? Sometimes yes I'm sure but if you hear interviews with Lions players under Matthews, they rave about him. Ditto Crows players under Blight, Did Sheeds ever have a mutiny or a fall out with his captain?
Watch "Year of the Dogs" and you can see an example of a team disconnected from its senior coach and going nowhere. A decision had to be made there and was finally with Joyce.
I know the tail shouldn't wave the dog but at the same time the players aren't idiots and I reckon they can sniff out a weak link up top.
If I am CEO and my club finished 14-15th every year of 3 years and there's a big disconnect with the senior players I am not sure if no decision is better than just making the tough call and moving on.
What are our expectations on senior coaches these days anyway?
by Hondo » Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:18 pm
by daysofourlives » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:20 am
Hondo wrote:MatteeG wrote:Lingy tweeted it best:
"After 3 seasons, Macca 20wins 46 losses v Clarko 28wins 40 losses. Dogs baulk v Hawks didn't. Average club v great club. Success takes time."
It's not a great record though let's be honest. What do we want clubs to do ... persist with finishing 14th and losing to GWS in the last round?
I get the gripe that Griffin seems to have tipped the boat but if we are brutally honest do senior players question the really good coaches? Sometimes yes I'm sure but if you hear interviews with Lions players under Matthews, they rave about him. Ditto Crows players under Blight, Did Sheeds ever have a mutiny or a fall out with his captain?
Watch "Year of the Dogs" and you can see an example of a team disconnected from its senior coach and going nowhere. A decision had to be made there and was finally with Joyce.
I know the tail shouldn't wave the dog but at the same time the players aren't idiots and I reckon they can sniff out a weak link up top.
If I am CEO and my club finished 14-15th every year of 3 years and there's a big disconnect with the senior players I am not sure if no decision is better than just making the tough call and moving on.
What are our expectations on senior coaches these days anyway?
by gadj1976 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:08 am
Hondo wrote:MatteeG wrote:Lingy tweeted it best:
"After 3 seasons, Macca 20wins 46 losses v Clarko 28wins 40 losses. Dogs baulk v Hawks didn't. Average club v great club. Success takes time."
It's not a great record though let's be honest. What do we want clubs to do ... persist with finishing 14th and losing to GWS in the last round?
I get the gripe that Griffin seems to have tipped the boat but if we are brutally honest do senior players question the really good coaches? Sometimes yes I'm sure but if you hear interviews with Lions players under Matthews, they rave about him. Ditto Crows players under Blight, Did Sheeds ever have a mutiny or a fall out with his captain?
Watch "Year of the Dogs" and you can see an example of a team disconnected from its senior coach and going nowhere. A decision had to be made there and was finally with Joyce.
I know the tail shouldn't wave the dog but at the same time the players aren't idiots and I reckon they can sniff out a weak link up top.
If I am CEO and my club finished 14-15th every year of 3 years and there's a big disconnect with the senior players I am not sure if no decision is better than just making the tough call and moving on.
What are our expectations on senior coaches these days anyway?
by gadj1976 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:10 am
Hondo wrote:I'm not saying McCartney is the only problem at the club.
But persisting with him just for the sake of pretending there is stability when clearly there isn't going to transform the W-L record.
Hawthorn went through 4 coaches between 1993 and 2004 before Clarkson arrived.
by Hondo » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:20 am
by gadj1976 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:33 am
Hondo wrote:Gadj didn't Sheedy have Essendon in a GF in his 3rd year? Clarkson was in finals in year 3.
What's with all these bleeding hearts for Brendan McCartney?
Coaches are paid big money to do a job and by year 3 clubs want to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
by JK » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:46 am
Hondo wrote:Gadj didn't Sheedy have Essendon in a GF in his 3rd year? Clarkson was in finals in year 3.
What's with all these bleeding hearts for Brendan McCartney?
Coaches are paid big money to do a job and by year 3 clubs want to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
by Hondo » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:23 am
by Q. » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:31 am
by JK » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:37 am
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