Jim05 wrote:Was still Div 1 and Div 2 when we left in 1990
Yeah I'm pretty sure it changed in the 2000's but not sure what year exactly.
What club were you with.
by cracka » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:19 pm
Jim05 wrote:Was still Div 1 and Div 2 when we left in 1990
by Jim05 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:45 pm
cracka wrote:Jim05 wrote:Was still Div 1 and Div 2 when we left in 1990
Yeah I'm pretty sure it changed in the 2000's but not sure what year exactly.
What club were you with.
by Ye Olde Place Kick » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:13 am
cracka wrote:daysofourlives wrote:chopper7 wrote:running defender wrote:Cannot wait to see how Bridgewater go back in country ----the last couple of seasons have seen the premiers being undefeated , what chance Bridgewater being undefeated 2015. Nice photo of the pub, see you there for a beer or two ,might even pick up a point or two about being a premier club.
1 A grade Div 1 in 105 years and you wanna start dishing out points to win flags??
Get over yourself ya spook.
I wasnt aware there was a Div 1, i thought it was Central and Country.
Since it was so easy for a country div club to win a Central flag maybe country is the better Div.
Echunga's 16 flags are the equal of any won by the toffy nosed Central Div clubs who had their noses put out of joint by the little country upstart.
HFL has changed what its been called so many times
67-71 it was Northern, Southern & Central
72-78 it was zone 1, zone 2 & zone 3
79-82 it was zone 1 & zone 2
83 all clubs played in 1 div
84-?? it was div 1 & div 2
??-2014 it was central div & country div
2015 its going back to div 1 & div 2
It technically has been a div 1 & 2 from 79 when zone 1 was considered the stronger (for lack of a better word) zone.
Echunga were in the stronger div/zone from 80-91.
by Legs Man » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:40 am
by cracka » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:59 am
Legs Man wrote:Interesting bit of history.
Seems the make up of the competition changed to suit the times which is the best way forward IMO.
My thoughts would be to allow any hills club that wants to play Central comp to do so providing they can field all 4 teams every gameday.
Draw is to be structured from previous seasons results and is 18 - 20 rounds depending on AFL draw timing, association and country champs.
There is no need to play each other twice as this is another major roadblock in place currently.
Natural attrition will then take effect with clubs not strong enough falling back into the second tier comp.
Only 2 divisions with the second tier having all clubs left including current C grade sides.
Time and results will sort out the makeup of each division. ( no relegation - allow clubs to come up and go down as required )
No club shield / points as this is a definite roadblock if retained - and has simply been a safety net for clubs with strong juniors.
All clubs have the same apps points allowance with no extra allocation allowable, regardless of circumstance, ensuring an even chance for all.
This also stops the remuneration of players / recruits from increasing as points reduce.
Even rotation of finals match ground allocation set at the start of each season regardless of who is playing in them or likely to. ( no changes allowed once set )
Clubs must meet a certain criteria with respect to facilities to qualify to go in the finals ground rotation draw.
Level heads and common sense is needed from now on with "own club" agendas and "league bias" forgone for the sake of hills football.
by Legs Man » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:06 am
cracka wrote:Legs Man wrote:Interesting bit of history.
Seems the make up of the competition changed to suit the times which is the best way forward IMO.
My thoughts would be to allow any hills club that wants to play Central comp to do so providing they can field all 4 teams every gameday.
Draw is to be structured from previous seasons results and is 18 - 20 rounds depending on AFL draw timing, association and country champs.
There is no need to play each other twice as this is another major roadblock in place currently.
Natural attrition will then take effect with clubs not strong enough falling back into the second tier comp.
Only 2 divisions with the second tier having all clubs left including current C grade sides.
Time and results will sort out the makeup of each division. ( no relegation - allow clubs to come up and go down as required )
No club shield / points as this is a definite roadblock if retained - and has simply been a safety net for clubs with strong juniors.
All clubs have the same apps points allowance with no extra allocation allowable, regardless of circumstance, ensuring an even chance for all.
This also stops the remuneration of players / recruits from increasing as points reduce.
Even rotation of finals match ground allocation set at the start of each season regardless of who is playing in them or likely to. ( no changes allowed once set )
Clubs must meet a certain criteria with respect to facilities to qualify to go in the finals ground rotation draw.
Level heads and common sense is needed from now on with "own club" agendas and "league bias" forgone for the sake of hills football.
This is the sort of post I've been waiting for from you. Constructive thoughts, looking towards the future & no abuse about what has happened in the past. Plus I agree with it all. Well done.
by The Gimp » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:00 am
by Legs Man » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:10 am
The Gimp wrote:What if all clubs nominated to play Country Div next season? Obviously the courts have decided that Echunga can't be removed from Central Div so they would be there playing with themselves (something they've proved they are very good at).
We could have one Country division for 2015.
Every side plays each other once. Top 8 for finals.
Central and Country would then be scrapped being replaced by div 1, 2 and 3.
The final ladder position for A grade (post GF) in season 2015 would determine the division split for 2016 with div 1 to have 8 clubs with the remaining in div 2. To play in either div 1 or 2 in season 2016, the club must have A's, B's, U18 and U15 with U13 optional.
If any club does not fill all 4 grades in 2015 (allowing max 1 forfeit per team during season) they cannot nominate for div 1 or 2 in 2016. There will be a div 3 for the clubs that cannot fill all 4 grades or any club that enters an extra team (C grade).
To enter div 2 from div 3, you must be able to prove that you will have all 4 grades before entry will be accepted.
Promotion/relegation will based on A grade results with the premier in div 2 having first option, then the other grand finalist having option if the premier declines.
For any club that then wants to enter either div 1 or 2 for season 2016 that didn't play in the "2015 Country Div grading season", a fee of $60k would apply.
by cracka » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:26 am
The Gimp wrote:What if all clubs nominated to play Country Div next season? Obviously the courts have decided that Echunga can't be removed from Central Div so they would be there playing with themselves (something they've proved they are very good at).
We could have one Country division for 2015.
Every side plays each other once. Top 8 for finals.
Central and Country would then be scrapped being replaced by div 1, 2 and 3.
The final ladder position for A grade (post GF) in season 2015 would determine the division split for 2016 with div 1 to have 8 clubs with the remaining in div 2. To play in either div 1 or 2 in season 2016, the club must have A's, B's, U18 and U15 with U13 optional.
If any club does not fill all 4 grades in 2015 (allowing max 1 forfeit per team during season) they cannot nominate for div 1 or 2 in 2016. There will be a div 3 for the clubs that cannot fill all 4 grades or any club that enters an extra team (C grade).
To enter div 2 from div 3, you must be able to prove that you will have all 4 grades before entry will be accepted.
Promotion/relegation will based on A grade results with the premier in div 2 having first option, then the other grand finalist having option if the premier declines.
For any club that then wants to enter either div 1 or 2 for season 2016 that didn't play in the "2015 Country Div grading season", a fee of $60k would apply.
by Armytank » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:42 am
by Legs Man » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:01 pm
Armytank wrote:I think it is the only way forward cracka.
A super league for 2015 which becomes the grading for the 2016 division structure. It is the only sensible solution that gives EVERYONE in the HFL a fair chance.
What happens if Nairne win the right and want to go to Central Div in 2016? With a "one off" 11 team Central Div in 2015, this will require 2 clubs to be relegated in 2016.
It will only prolong the mess yet again
by rock » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:11 pm
Armytank wrote:I think it is the only way forward cracka.
A super league for 2015 which becomes the grading for the 2016 division structure. It is the only sensible solution that gives EVERYONE in the HFL a fair chance.
What happens if Nairne win the right and want to go to Central Div in 2016? With a "one off" 11 team Central Div in 2015, this will require 2 clubs to be relegated in 2016.
It will only prolong the mess yet again
by The Gimp » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:13 pm
cracka wrote:The Gimp wrote:What if all clubs nominated to play Country Div next season? Obviously the courts have decided that Echunga can't be removed from Central Div so they would be there playing with themselves (something they've proved they are very good at).
We could have one Country division for 2015.
Every side plays each other once. Top 8 for finals.
Central and Country would then be scrapped being replaced by div 1, 2 and 3.
The final ladder position for A grade (post GF) in season 2015 would determine the division split for 2016 with div 1 to have 8 clubs with the remaining in div 2. To play in either div 1 or 2 in season 2016, the club must have A's, B's, U18 and U15 with U13 optional.
If any club does not fill all 4 grades in 2015 (allowing max 1 forfeit per team during season) they cannot nominate for div 1 or 2 in 2016. There will be a div 3 for the clubs that cannot fill all 4 grades or any club that enters an extra team (C grade).
To enter div 2 from div 3, you must be able to prove that you will have all 4 grades before entry will be accepted.
Promotion/relegation will based on A grade results with the premier in div 2 having first option, then the other grand finalist having option if the premier declines.
For any club that then wants to enter either div 1 or 2 for season 2016 that didn't play in the "2015 Country Div grading season", a fee of $60k would apply.
I really hope you're taking the P155 here.
by rock » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:13 pm
Legs Man wrote:Armytank wrote:I think it is the only way forward cracka.
A super league for 2015 which becomes the grading for the 2016 division structure. It is the only sensible solution that gives EVERYONE in the HFL a fair chance.
What happens if Nairne win the right and want to go to Central Div in 2016? With a "one off" 11 team Central Div in 2015, this will require 2 clubs to be relegated in 2016.
It will only prolong the mess yet again
I hear 12 teams is now on the table for this season. (Nairne up also with meetings to discuss organised)
This will work OK - but relegation needs to be scrapped along with uneven apps points allocation. (you want to play Central then there should be no barrier - if you can field all 4 sides)
Must be a level playing field from now on.
by The Gimp » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:19 pm
rock wrote:Legs Man wrote:Armytank wrote:I think it is the only way forward cracka.
A super league for 2015 which becomes the grading for the 2016 division structure. It is the only sensible solution that gives EVERYONE in the HFL a fair chance.
What happens if Nairne win the right and want to go to Central Div in 2016? With a "one off" 11 team Central Div in 2015, this will require 2 clubs to be relegated in 2016.
It will only prolong the mess yet again
I hear 12 teams is now on the table for this season. (Nairne up also with meetings to discuss organised)
This will work OK - but relegation needs to be scrapped along with uneven apps points allocation. (you want to play Central then there should be no barrier - if you can field all 4 sides)
Must be a level playing field from now on.
YOU MAY AS WELL DIG A GRAVE FOR COUNTRY DIVISION. It's not on the table.
by Legs Man » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:25 pm
rock wrote:Legs Man wrote:Armytank wrote:I think it is the only way forward cracka.
A super league for 2015 which becomes the grading for the 2016 division structure. It is the only sensible solution that gives EVERYONE in the HFL a fair chance.
What happens if Nairne win the right and want to go to Central Div in 2016? With a "one off" 11 team Central Div in 2015, this will require 2 clubs to be relegated in 2016.
It will only prolong the mess yet again
I hear 12 teams is now on the table for this season. (Nairne up also with meetings to discuss organised)
This will work OK - but relegation needs to be scrapped along with uneven apps points allocation. (you want to play Central then there should be no barrier - if you can field all 4 sides)
Must be a level playing field from now on.
YOU MAY AS WELL DIG A GRAVE FOR COUNTRY DIVISION. It's not on the table.
by Armytank » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:37 pm
by Amateur Footy » Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:00 pm
by rock » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:01 pm
Amateur Footy wrote:Do you think Country Div clubs would commit to a super league knowing they will have no hope of finals in 2015 and some would be on the end of big drubbings? What would it matter if it was 10 in Central and bottom two drop out in 2016 to form a new Div 2 with top 6 from Country that all have 4 teams as minimum? Would need to decide if it was based on As or whole club still.
by cracka » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:11 pm
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