Youngsters not happy at North

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Postby Ian » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:35 pm

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sydney-dog wrote:14 of Centrals last year premiership side came through the junior program, I have no issue with clubs recruiting top level footballers who end up playing quality league footy week end week out, but clubs who continue to recruit players who end up fringe / reserve players, all this does is create dead wood at your club and stops the juniors pushing through.

Recruiting is strategic, clubs should only recruit players for certain positions where they feel there is no depth of quality juniors coming through to potentially feel that particular role........

Maybe an import rule will solve some of these issues


I would be totally opposed to an import rule. Let clubs sink or swim by their own decisions.

If a junior footballer is any good he will make it anyway. I don't want players playing who arn't ready just for the sake of playing juniors.


And the very good ones will leave the SANFL to play in the AFL, the void that they leave also needs to be filled.

You're right Wedgie, Edwards will be a star, but he will be lost to the SANFL before too long, he has too much talent for the AFL scouts to miss, all we can hope for is the Crows or Power pick him up, so we can still see him at North during his development.
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Postby sydney-dog » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:48 pm

Ian, if the void you are talking about is depth in the reserve grade, fill these spots with your juniors , expose them to senior footy and yes you are right the cream will rise to the top.......

why recruit players to fill a void who will just end up playing reserve footy and stop the progress and development of the juniors, lets be honest we are here to win senior premierships, that is how your club is rated successful or not, so recruit players who you can bank on playing quality senior league footy week in / week out........

It's a real concern when certain clubs in our league have had a great deal of success in junior grades in the past 10 years and failed to convert this at league level and you look at there senior list with so many recruits running around in the magoos......

I read these types of forums and so many members get a hard on over a recruit we have not even heard off from the VFL or Tas, who will prob end up being a fringe player, where is the value in this......
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Postby Ian » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:57 pm

sydney-dog wrote:Ian, if the void you are talking about is depth in the reserve grade, fill these spots with your juniors , expose them to senior footy and yes you are right the cream will rise to the top.......



The players I was refering to are players like Edwards, I think he will become a super star at AFL level, you can not replace someone like him with a average or even good Reserves player.
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Postby sydney-dog » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:28 pm

Ian, I agree with your thoughts on Edwards.....

for me, if the Dods brought in a recruit who played mostly reserve grade I would question his value, keep our reserve grade to develop our juniors and expose them to senior footy (such as Westhoff and Kellett), these guys will become fantastic senior footballers for the CDFC....

Then recruit players such as the Hulms, Arnotts, Gowans, Hopwood amd Bellos who will be quality 150+ game players......

This is why recruiting is very strategic, by doing this you can't take your eye of your junior grades, because long term, your junior grades will be thew core group that will drive your future success........

Ignore this, and risk failure
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Postby topsywaldron » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:42 pm

If you don't want recruits to play too many reserves games then last years recruiting at the Dogs must have been a real blow Sydney Dog.

Whatever happened to Stenhouse?
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Postby sydney-dog » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:57 pm

last years recruiting a real blow, well results would say over time our recruiting strategy / junior development program has dlivered the goods.

We have not recruited the quantity of players like other clubs but I would be interested in the stats on wheteher there would be a crop of recruits for any other club that would of given better service in terms of number of league games.

Arnott, Gowans, Hopwood, Bello, Hay, while our Premiership sides still average 14 / 15 players from our local area

Great to have Thomas and Wilson back, but the truth is I am more excited about Kellett and Westhoff, then I am iabout the other recruits from the VFL and Tas

Our future success wil come from our local product
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Postby Jimmy » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:09 pm

Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
Wedgie wrote:
Ronnie wrote:The person I spoke to Wedgie had never been a Board member, and I never stated that he had been a Board member. But he was involved in an official capacity at the club. Nice try though.


Sorry Ronnie, my mistake, that'll teach me to skim read articles before replying to them.
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I'm off to the shop to buy some humble pie. :wink:

PS Past officials quite often have more gripes just for gripes sake than disgruntled parents!


North unfortunately had a big clean out of so called''officials'' most were dead wood & had been around since my avatar was in shorts, none of them from memory took the hint & went gracefully, I'd say one of them would be Ronnies little mate.
I would concur that Jimmy would be right on the money with his phone source's accomodation overlooking the ''Grand North''


umm, this north parent isnt in jail mate.... :?

not with ya there.... :shock:
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Postby rubbers0ul » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:19 am

sydney-dog wrote:Ian, if the void you are talking about is depth in the reserve grade, fill these spots with your juniors , expose them to senior footy and yes you are right the cream will rise to the top.......

why recruit players to fill a void who will just end up playing reserve footy and stop the progress and development of the juniors, lets be honest we are here to win senior premierships, that is how your club is rated successful or not, so recruit players who you can bank on playing quality senior league footy week in / week out........

It's a real concern when certain clubs in our league have had a great deal of success in junior grades in the past 10 years and failed to convert this at league level and you look at there senior list with so many recruits running around in the magoos......

I read these types of forums and so many members get a hard on over a recruit we have not even heard off from the VFL or Tas, who will prob end up being a fringe player, where is the value in this......


Port Magpies reserve team was actually ridiculous this year with the amount of washed up AFL players they had in it. I think the last time they played us (centrals) i counted 8 ex-afl players running around in the prison uniform!
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Postby Jimmy » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:20 am

sydney-dog wrote:last years recruiting a real blow, well results would say over time our recruiting strategy / junior development program has dlivered the goods.

We have not recruited the quantity of players like other clubs but I would be interested in the stats on wheteher there would be a crop of recruits for any other club that would of given better service in terms of number of league games.

Arnott, Gowans, Hopwood, Bello, Hay, while our Premiership sides still average 14 / 15 players from our local area

Great to have Thomas and Wilson back, but the truth is I am more excited about Kellett and Westhoff, then I am iabout the other recruits from the VFL and Tas

Our future success wil come from our local product


kellet had his chances a few years ago, but spat the dummy coz he wasnt getting a go and had a piss poor attitude, plus he was adverse the the hard work needed to be a league player. Has this all changed? I think his chance has passed him by until he changes his attitude.
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Postby Sheik Yerbouti » Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:31 am

Jimmy wrote:
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
Wedgie wrote:
Ronnie wrote:The person I spoke to Wedgie had never been a Board member, and I never stated that he had been a Board member. But he was involved in an official capacity at the club. Nice try though.


Sorry Ronnie, my mistake, that'll teach me to skim read articles before replying to them.
#-o

I'm off to the shop to buy some humble pie. :wink:

PS Past officials quite often have more gripes just for gripes sake than disgruntled parents!


North unfortunately had a big clean out of so called''officials'' most were dead wood & had been around since my avatar was in shorts, none of them from memory took the hint & went gracefully, I'd say one of them would be Ronnies little mate.
I would concur that Jimmy would be right on the money with his phone source's accomodation overlooking the ''Grand North''


umm, this north parent isnt in jail mate.... :?

not with ya there.... :shock:


''got a call from dad today ''

Jail,North parent ??? twas referring to beautiful downtown Oakton.
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Postby Ronnie » Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:17 am

No, not Malcolm Ellis, i think he was at a different SANFL footy club to North in 2005.
Anyway, he was only expressing his personal opinion, and while he was not forced out by North or has a particular axe to grind with them, I would call him a bit 'opinionated'. If North win the flag in 2006 i'll have a
good excuse to get stuck into him!
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Postby Jimmy » Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:30 am

Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
Jimmy wrote:
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
Wedgie wrote:
Ronnie wrote:The person I spoke to Wedgie had never been a Board member, and I never stated that he had been a Board member. But he was involved in an official capacity at the club. Nice try though.


Sorry Ronnie, my mistake, that'll teach me to skim read articles before replying to them.
#-o

I'm off to the shop to buy some humble pie. :wink:

PS Past officials quite often have more gripes just for gripes sake than disgruntled parents!


North unfortunately had a big clean out of so called''officials'' most were dead wood & had been around since my avatar was in shorts, none of them from memory took the hint & went gracefully, I'd say one of them would be Ronnies little mate.
I would concur that Jimmy would be right on the money with his phone source's accomodation overlooking the ''Grand North''


umm, this north parent isnt in jail mate.... :?

not with ya there.... :shock:


''got a call from dad today ''

Jail,North parent ??? twas referring to beautiful downtown Oakton.


OakDEN? ;)

ok i getcha....sorta
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