by Rough » Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:35 pm
by cracka » Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:55 pm
Ye Olde Place Kick wrote:cracka wrote:Mr Beefy wrote:Charge entry fees? So SAAFL clubs have more cash, causing country clubs to pay even more for their recruits?
Or causing country clubs to just use locals & NOT pay anything for recruits, there's a radical idea. Country clubs have been recruiting & overpaying players for 40 years so the blame for rising costs cant all be put on the APPS.
Maybe instead of APPS, clubs should have a local player scheme (LPS) where they have to use 75% (16 of 21 players) local, to qualify a player either has to have played junior footy at a club or live in the area, I know some clubs can offer work & accommodation as part of a package & rort the system.
Have thought the same re clubs using locals with a limit of 3/4 imports. I know this would be impossible for most clubs but here's a idea Cracka. Perhaps the HFL and the Southern League could get together and form an Independent league with some of their smaller clubs, where there was a limit on imports. Yes the standard wouldn't be as high but it would allow them to play within their means, be more competitive and allow towns to keep their club and not amalgamate just to keep up with far bigger population based clubs.
by shoe boy » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:07 am
by Mr Beefy » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:50 am
shoe boy wrote:THE "BOYS CLUB" or some would say SACFL must be taking the piss ! Reg 31 total player payments is the most disturbing legislation I have ever seen and am sure ALL GRASS ROOTS football clubs must fight this blatant abuse of power for no reason than to prop up an ailing competition.
Who elects the BOYS CLUB ?
Who did we have before SACFL?
What salary are these elected ? board members on ?
Who do they answer to? SAAFL? SANFL? AFL?
Is this board transparent ?
by RooShootOhh » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:49 pm
by Mr Beefy » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:58 pm
by cracka » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:02 pm
RooShootOhh wrote:Curious to know, with the new Salary Cap and Player Payment caps....
1- On the assumption all payments are declared to the ATO
2- Is the cap on Individual Player Payments ($500 unless marquee player of $1000) a restriction of trade?
Now keep in mind I agree with what they are trying to achieve in reducing player payments etc, I support a salary cap being in place (no matter how hard it will be to Police), but no matter whether I agree with it, I wonder if it can be done legally???
If a club are only allowed to spend $3k per week, But only have 9 points, that 1x $1000 2 x $500 = $2k spend
Yet the next club have 15 Points, thats 1 x $1000 4 x $500 = $3k
Why should a club, who has been more successful (judging by allocated points) not allowed to spend the allocated budget??? Why can they not pay their 3 players $1k each, it still sits inside their weekly $3k allowance???
Clearly the model has been based on the Ammo's and their every club gets 15 points rule, it is no coincidence the maths work out perfectly to fit their model, and again, country footy has been neglected by pathetic management.
by shoe boy » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:17 pm
Mr Beefy wrote:You're assuming that only players worth 3 points get paid? A "marquee" player might be worth 4 points, or might be worth less points because they have played at club for a number of years.
by Mr Beefy » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:00 pm
shoe boy wrote:Mr Beefy wrote:You're assuming that only players worth 3 points get paid? A "marquee" player might be worth 4 points, or might be worth less points because they have played at club for a number of years.
Mr Beefy when is your next board meeting with the SACFB ?
by shoe boy » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:06 pm
Mr Beefy wrote:shoe boy wrote:Mr Beefy wrote:You're assuming that only players worth 3 points get paid? A "marquee" player might be worth 4 points, or might be worth less points because they have played at club for a number of years.
Mr Beefy when is your next board meeting with the SACFB ?
Who?
by daysofourlives » Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:57 pm
RooShootOhh wrote:Curious to know, with the new Salary Cap and Player Payment caps....
1- On the assumption all payments are declared to the ATO
2- Is the cap on Individual Player Payments ($500 unless marquee player of $1000) a restriction of trade?
Now keep in mind I agree with what they are trying to achieve in reducing player payments etc, I support a salary cap being in place (no matter how hard it will be to Police), but no matter whether I agree with it, I wonder if it can be done legally???
If a club are only allowed to spend $3k per week, But only have 9 points, that 1x $1000 2 x $500 = $2k spend
Yet the next club have 15 Points, thats 1 x $1000 4 x $500 = $3k
Why should a club, who has been more successful (judging by allocated points) not allowed to spend the allocated budget??? Why can they not pay their 3 players $1k each, it still sits inside their weekly $3k allowance???
Clearly the model has been based on the Ammo's and their every club gets 15 points rule, it is no coincidence the maths work out perfectly to fit their model, and again, country footy has been neglected by pathetic management.
by Jim05 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:14 pm
daysofourlives wrote:RooShootOhh wrote:Curious to know, with the new Salary Cap and Player Payment caps....
1- On the assumption all payments are declared to the ATO
2- Is the cap on Individual Player Payments ($500 unless marquee player of $1000) a restriction of trade?
Now keep in mind I agree with what they are trying to achieve in reducing player payments etc, I support a salary cap being in place (no matter how hard it will be to Police), but no matter whether I agree with it, I wonder if it can be done legally???
If a club are only allowed to spend $3k per week, But only have 9 points, that 1x $1000 2 x $500 = $2k spend
Yet the next club have 15 Points, thats 1 x $1000 4 x $500 = $3k
Why should a club, who has been more successful (judging by allocated points) not allowed to spend the allocated budget??? Why can they not pay their 3 players $1k each, it still sits inside their weekly $3k allowance???
Clearly the model has been based on the Ammo's and their every club gets 15 points rule, it is no coincidence the maths work out perfectly to fit their model, and again, country footy has been neglected by pathetic management.
Clearly everything is based on consultation with the SAAFL and their needs.
It is the amateur league crucifying country footy because they're a bunch of amateur footy clubs who are years behind the professionalism of the country clubs.
There is no loyalty in the amateur league forcing them to pay almost 100% of their playing lists meaning that they cant compete at the top end for gun players.
by Bag & Sledge » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:47 pm
daysofourlives wrote:RooShootOhh wrote:Curious to know, with the new Salary Cap and Player Payment caps....
1- On the assumption all payments are declared to the ATO
2- Is the cap on Individual Player Payments ($500 unless marquee player of $1000) a restriction of trade?
Now keep in mind I agree with what they are trying to achieve in reducing player payments etc, I support a salary cap being in place (no matter how hard it will be to Police), but no matter whether I agree with it, I wonder if it can be done legally???
If a club are only allowed to spend $3k per week, But only have 9 points, that 1x $1000 2 x $500 = $2k spend
Yet the next club have 15 Points, thats 1 x $1000 4 x $500 = $3k
Why should a club, who has been more successful (judging by allocated points) not allowed to spend the allocated budget??? Why can they not pay their 3 players $1k each, it still sits inside their weekly $3k allowance???
Clearly the model has been based on the Ammo's and their every club gets 15 points rule, it is no coincidence the maths work out perfectly to fit their model, and again, country footy has been neglected by pathetic management.
Clearly everything is based on consultation with the SAAFL and their needs.
It is the amateur league crucifying country footy because they're a bunch of amateur footy clubs who are years behind the professionalism of the country clubs.
There is no loyalty in the amateur league forcing them to pay almost 100% of their playing lists meaning that they cant compete at the top end for gun players.
by sideview » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:56 pm
by Mythical Creature » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:16 pm
Bag & Sledge wrote:daysofourlives wrote:RooShootOhh wrote:Curious to know, with the new Salary Cap and Player Payment caps....
1- On the assumption all payments are declared to the ATO
2- Is the cap on Individual Player Payments ($500 unless marquee player of $1000) a restriction of trade?
Now keep in mind I agree with what they are trying to achieve in reducing player payments etc, I support a salary cap being in place (no matter how hard it will be to Police), but no matter whether I agree with it, I wonder if it can be done legally???
If a club are only allowed to spend $3k per week, But only have 9 points, that 1x $1000 2 x $500 = $2k spend
Yet the next club have 15 Points, thats 1 x $1000 4 x $500 = $3k
Why should a club, who has been more successful (judging by allocated points) not allowed to spend the allocated budget??? Why can they not pay their 3 players $1k each, it still sits inside their weekly $3k allowance???
Clearly the model has been based on the Ammo's and their every club gets 15 points rule, it is no coincidence the maths work out perfectly to fit their model, and again, country footy has been neglected by pathetic management.
Clearly everything is based on consultation with the SAAFL and their needs.
It is the amateur league crucifying country footy because they're a bunch of amateur footy clubs who are years behind the professionalism of the country clubs.
There is no loyalty in the amateur league forcing them to pay almost 100% of their playing lists meaning that they cant compete at the top end for gun players.
Well said Days!!
The Points system and Salary Cap along with the rules of the Salary Cap has just created a huge extra workload for someone at a club!!
I wonder if the Community Footy League will send some funds to the country clubs to pay the treasurers, secretaries and footy directors for the extra work they have now created for country clubs?
by human_torpedo » Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:30 pm
by qwerty » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:13 am
by Dogwatcher » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:01 pm
by Bag & Sledge » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:10 pm
by cracka » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:08 pm
Bag & Sledge wrote:Player Points System and a Salary Cap with plenty of ridiculous guidelines will drive Country Associations to leave the Community Football League and go Independent.
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