by Jim05 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:07 pm
by Q. » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:36 pm
by morell » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:47 pm
Agreed, and if there is more money being spent by clubs on this sort of thing (junior development) rather than that gun recruit who can kick a bag this year from the half forward flank, then the sport in general will be more competitive.Jetters wrote:morell wrote:It might not be the Hamley Bridge Soccer Club, maybe the Gawler Soccer Club need a new home? Currently has over 30 teams in the FFSA State League, SAASL, SAWSA, EDJSA and FFSA Junior Premier League.
People arguing against these measures need to understand where the sport is at and how competitive the modern landscape is now and is going to be in regards to which sports kids pick to play.
We're getting beaten:
Soccer beating football in battle of codes amongst kids
Our failure with juniors is our failure to diversify. We need more girls playing and kids from non-traditional football families. Also, junior leagues need to start adopting rules to give kids the best opportunity to love footy.
by Computer Crashed » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:47 pm
Q. wrote:It's really only the soft kids and families with over protective parents that are moving to soccer anyway.
by morell » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:49 pm
Across the board Soccer is winning the hearts and minds of parents and their kids. The numbers are legit scary. The two can coexist provided there are enough avenues towards juniors being able to play both games. By closing down clubs one would be reducing those avenues.Jim05 wrote:Cant speak for other leagues/clubs but Junior numbers have increased this year. Have got tons of kids playing. Football and soccer can co-exist easily
by Computer Crashed » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:53 pm
morell wrote:Agreed, and if there is more money being spent by clubs on this sort of thing (junior development) rather than that gun recruit who can kick a bag this year from the half forward flank, then the sport in general will be more competitive.Jetters wrote:morell wrote:It might not be the Hamley Bridge Soccer Club, maybe the Gawler Soccer Club need a new home? Currently has over 30 teams in the FFSA State League, SAASL, SAWSA, EDJSA and FFSA Junior Premier League.
People arguing against these measures need to understand where the sport is at and how competitive the modern landscape is now and is going to be in regards to which sports kids pick to play.
We're getting beaten:
Soccer beating football in battle of codes amongst kids
Our failure with juniors is our failure to diversify. We need more girls playing and kids from non-traditional football families. Also, junior leagues need to start adopting rules to give kids the best opportunity to love footy.
It's the first really positive move towards tackling an issue I've been prattling on here about for years, its great to see.
by morell » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:03 pm
by Q. » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:04 pm
Computer Crashed wrote:Q. wrote:It's really only the soft kids and families with over protective parents that are moving to soccer anyway.
That's a strange comment.
Think he was implying his football junior ranks had improved.
by Yank Man » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:42 pm
Q. wrote:Computer Crashed wrote:Q. wrote:It's really only the soft kids and families with over protective parents that are moving to soccer anyway.
That's a strange comment.
Think he was implying his football junior ranks had improved.
I thought my facetiousness was obvious.
by Dogwatcher » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:41 pm
by morell » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:07 pm
"Its their own fault"Dogwatcher wrote:Apparently a KNTFL attached official has told the SACFL that if these laws weren't implemented, three of their clubs would be on the brink.
by CouchExpert » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:53 pm
by Look Good In Leather » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:50 pm
morell wrote:Good on them for trying to do something about this scourge on our game.
by LaughingKookaburra » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:08 pm
by Look Good In Leather » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:59 am
LaughingKookaburra wrote:Those truck drivers pay tax for their efforts. They also go to work in remote locations with some of the harshest weather conditions on the entire planet. On top of this they give up a lot of their every day life for upto weeks on end. Yes they are compensated well but deservidely so. Just a bit different.
by heater31 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:10 am
Look Good In Leather wrote:LaughingKookaburra wrote:Those truck drivers pay tax for their efforts. They also go to work in remote locations with some of the harshest weather conditions on the entire planet. On top of this they give up a lot of their every day life for upto weeks on end. Yes they are compensated well but deservidely so. Just a bit different.
They choose that lifestyle and get paid good money for it - they should be allowed to. That is my point, no one is stopping someone paying whatever it takes to attract people to those places. I know of no industry where there is a restriction on how much you can pay one person. Even in sports where a salary cap is in place, a player still has the ability to find a club that is prepared to pay them a larger slice.
The overriding motivation here is jealousy.
by Look Good In Leather » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:16 am
heater31 wrote:Look Good In Leather wrote:LaughingKookaburra wrote:Those truck drivers pay tax for their efforts. They also go to work in remote locations with some of the harshest weather conditions on the entire planet. On top of this they give up a lot of their every day life for upto weeks on end. Yes they are compensated well but deservidely so. Just a bit different.
They choose that lifestyle and get paid good money for it - they should be allowed to. That is my point, no one is stopping someone paying whatever it takes to attract people to those places. I know of no industry where there is a restriction on how much you can pay one person. Even in sports where a salary cap is in place, a player still has the ability to find a club that is prepared to pay them a larger slice.
The overriding motivation here is jealousy.
It is also classed as a hobby when it probably shouldn't as in some cases blokes are taking more than their weekly wage. SANFL players are taxed on their match payments....
by morell » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:00 am
Excessive player payments is absolutely a scourge. It's the games biggest challenge at the grass roots level in my opinion.Look Good In Leather wrote:morell wrote:Good on them for trying to do something about this scourge on our game.
Scourge?
Some people want to pay someone extra money to play at their club rather than another one because they consider that their value to them. That club has the issue that they are in a regional location so in order to recruit better players they need to make it a bit more attractive. How is this a scourge?
A truck driver may get paid $40k a year in Adelaide, but a mining site in Karratha needs a driver and is willing to pay $120k a year if he is willing to FIFO. Maybe the Australian Government should put in a cap on truck driver wages because Toll and Linfox are complaining that they are losing their best drivers to the mines, such a "scourge" it is on our trucking industry.
by morell » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:08 am
That was Dogwatcher's info, not mine, I was replying to him.CouchExpert wrote:Don't know where you got your info from Morell, but I would suggest that if these laws are implemented three clubs in this league will definitely be on the brink.purely because without attracting 5-6 recruits to the club they will have 30 -35 players at best & that includes senior colts filling in & blokes playing who are closer to 50 than 40.
Most clubs that pay players don't pay them out of general revenue(IE gate takings & Bar takings) What they usually do is form a small committee that raises funds through either running livestock or cropping programs.These enterprise are generally very successful & can generate income of up to $100.000.The real issue that no-one seems willing to address is lack of playing numbers in most country areas of the state.
by Feenix » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:38 am
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