CENTURION wrote:Rowey understands why people aren't going.
He has 'chopped n changed' throughout the debate.
Rowey does what Rowey's told - today he is against it, tomorrow he's for it.
Been doing the same since it was 1st mooted in 2013.
by LPH » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:53 pm
CENTURION wrote:Rowey understands why people aren't going.
by cennals05 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:58 pm
by PatowalongaPirate » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:04 pm
cennals05 wrote:We hear a lot that it is the weather this season, so I thought I would see if I could compare the seasons. I just went through the BOM stats for all the game days for last season and this season up until Round 16.
In 2014 we had 119.8 mm of rain and this season 95.8 mm up until Round 16.
There have been 17 game days with rain so far this season and last season up until the same point there had been 16.
The average temp in 2014 up until Round 16 was 19.8°C and in 2015 17.7°C.
I really need to get a life or do some work.
by stan » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:07 pm
by Kahuna » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:08 pm
cennals05 wrote:FIVEaa just asked for SANFL fans to call or text and say why they are not going. Text 1999 1395 and let them know it's because of the AFL reserves.
by Apachebulldog » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:29 pm
by JK » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:40 pm
Dutchy wrote:JK wrote:Again I come back to the lack of accountability and transparency on the sale of West Lakes. $70mil for something once reported to be as high as $300mil is obviously a massive variance. That $300mil if managed correctly (always questionable where the SANFL is concerned) was surely enough to protect the standard and future of the competition and its clubs.
Demand has dropped for a slice of land like that, 5-10 years ago you would have 4-5 developers jumping all over it and the SANFL would have got a premium price, now they had to take what they could due to the poor financial position the league is in (and the buyer would have known this).
by JK » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:52 pm
bennymacca wrote:So yes, i agree with others that there should be a national AFL reserves comp. But this will also hurt the SANFL. It will be "pure" as some people want it, but it will be at a much lower standard, and with that will come continued dwindling crowds.
by Aerie » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:00 pm
JK wrote:bennymacca wrote:So yes, i agree with others that there should be a national AFL reserves comp. But this will also hurt the SANFL. It will be "pure" as some people want it, but it will be at a much lower standard, and with that will come continued dwindling crowds.
It shouldn't have to be, but I fear you're right.
One thing I've always disliked about modern footy, is that any and every kid is given the opportunity to play AFL if good enough, but once they've been removed from the AFL system there goes any reasonable chance to make a living from the sport. The AFL won't spend any money on players other than for development purposes. The argument is if players aren't playing in their competition then why should they? But I would have thought they were also custodians of the game? Hard to do justice to that role when you're eyeing off dollar the game makes around the country and want it all for your own.
If/when a national Reserves competition comes into play, it would be nice (in a dream world) if the AFL and other leagues agreed on top-up players not being older than 24. It would then leave a pretty decent pool of talent for the SANFL, VFL, WAFL etc to function almost as D-Leagues, where players could ply their onfield trade for decent remuneration. Perhaps not enough to make a living from, but certainly enough to subsidise other employment income for a healthy earning whilst they're playing.
AFL would remain the best standard, other leagues would stay strong (or increase in strength), and a pool of ready made mature aged players exists for AFL clubs should they have a need. Win/win I would have thought, but I appear to be on my pat malone with that one.
by bennymacca » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:12 pm
by JK » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:24 pm
bennymacca wrote:Even limiting the age of the topups would lower the standard of the SANFL
by JK » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:26 pm
LPH wrote:The standard is not the issue IMHO.
Survival of the Clubs from here, is the issue.
by Apachebulldog » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:50 pm
by tipper » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:51 pm
bennymacca wrote:tipper wrote:bennymacca wrote:Booney wrote:LPH"]
The Clubs thought (wrongly IMHO) that the 'easy cash' from the AFL Clubs was the answer.
It wasn't.
The problem they have made for themselves is that Membership money has diminished significantly, as (I assume) has Sponsorship money, Gate takings & Bar/Food/Beverage. To make it more affordable for people to go to the SANFL, they need to cut Admissions & Costs - going Semi-Ammo instead of Semi-Pro, may well allow this to occur. Under 25s will probably want to play for the 8 Clubs (in general) above playing for other Ammo Clubs because of facilities, etc. Younger Country Zoned Players will still have the pathway to AFL via the SANFL Club, even in "Div 1" - say a Club were relegated, that would give a greater opportunity to play/develop kids.
I agree. Admission now keeps people away. The cost of a trip to the SANFL with the family, or even on your own, has increased to the point that many people would not be able to afford to attend.
Problem with this though, the clubs slice becomes less. I think it needs to be made a more attractive "product" ( I hate using that term ) for people to spend their entertainment $$$'s on.
you honestly think further lowering the standard will bring people back? I dont.
havent been on in a few days, and whilst it was enjoyable reading ramrod, he actually did bring up one decent point - the standard of the comp as a whole would have dropped, as there is an extra team. Could that be another reason the crowds have dropped?
One of the reasons i liked following the sanfl was to see how the afl listed players were doing.
But now I only have to look at the crows match report to do that, so my overall interest has gone down.
Moreover, I dont really feel compelled to go and watch a crows game because it is a reserves game, and if i only have so much time in the week im definitely not spending it going to a reserves game.
So yes, i agree with others that there should be a national AFL reserves comp. But this will also hurt the SANFL. It will be "pure" as some people want it, but it will be at a much lower standard, and with that will come continued dwindling crowds.
Wait... are you now using the same reasons the No AFL posters were stating all along as reasons your interest in the SANFL has dropped? the same reasons you argued so long against?
ffs why couldnt you and the other "pro" people (particularly the sanfl directors.....) realise the sense in the "against" arguments two and a half ******* years ago.....
ah so im not allowed to change my opinion? as ive said all along i was never "pro" anything i was just making the point that it wouldnt be as bad as everyone predicted and i was wrong about that.
[quote="RB wrote:bennymacca wrote:So yes, i agree with others that there should be a national AFL reserves comp. But this will also hurt the SANFL. It will be "pure" as some people want it, but it will be at a much lower standard, and with that will come continued dwindling crowds.
Really?
by saintal » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:35 pm
LPH wrote:CENTURION wrote:Rowey understands why people aren't going.
He has 'chopped n changed' throughout the debate.
Rowey does what Rowey's told - today he is against it, tomorrow he's for it.
Been doing the same since it was 1st mooted in 2013.
by daysofourlives » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:01 pm
by whufc » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:33 pm
by Dutchy » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:16 pm
whufc wrote:I dont care about what the standard is like.
If my favourite football team plays in a comp with integrity ill be there every week.
by Spargo » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:24 pm
whufc wrote:I dont care about what the standard is like.
If my favourite football team plays in a comp with integrity ill be there every week.
by Pseudo » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:54 pm
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