by heater31 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:00 am
by Reddeer » Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:49 am
by jo172 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:04 pm
UK Fan wrote:Always said SANFl clubs should have a scholarship system.
Keeping 1 Under 18 in the system who doesnt want to enter the draft or doesnt feel ready.
$30K a year half funded by SANFL (not included in salary cap).
Another point.
Amateur clubs now officially pay players and they are allowed to have a marquee player thats payments arent recorded to the salary cap.
But SANFL clubs dont have this option.
WHy the hell not ?
Might help the drain of players to country clubs if we have the same options.
Also might stop three time magarey medalists and state ruckmen signing for Div 3 ammo clubs.
SANFL presidents should be either challenging this or adopting it.
Easier to get approval when you have a precedent btw.
by UK Fan » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:01 pm
jo172 wrote:UK Fan wrote:Always said SANFl clubs should have a scholarship system.
Keeping 1 Under 18 in the system who doesnt want to enter the draft or doesnt feel ready.
$30K a year half funded by SANFL (not included in salary cap).
Another point.
Amateur clubs now officially pay players and they are allowed to have a marquee player thats payments arent recorded to the salary cap.
But SANFL clubs dont have this option.
WHy the hell not ?
Might help the drain of players to country clubs if we have the same options.
Also might stop three time magarey medalists and state ruckmen signing for Div 3 ammo clubs.
SANFL presidents should be either challenging this or adopting it.
Easier to get approval when you have a precedent btw.
For what it's worth the Amateur League doesn't have the marquee player provision, albeit the Country leagues do.
Even in the country leagues the marquee player's whole payment is included within the cap. It's just a provision that allows club's to pay more than the maximum amount per game to an individual player to the marquee player.
It's not like the A League marquee player at all.
You'd also be hard pressed to say Allan and Kurtze are playing Amateurs for pure cash. Kurtze in particular has made a lifestyle choice.
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by teaoby » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:22 pm
by jo172 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:37 pm
teaoby wrote:Kurtze is an old scholar of Pembroke, and Jimmy got a job at the school. The guys that run Pembroke are dead against any player payments so those 2 aren't in it for the $$$
Other clubs yes, but not Pembroke.
by heater31 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:40 pm
jo172 wrote:teaoby wrote:Kurtze is an old scholar of Pembroke, and Jimmy got a job at the school. The guys that run Pembroke are dead against any player payments so those 2 aren't in it for the $$$
Other clubs yes, but not Pembroke.
I'm confident they're on the max $400 (certain one is and confident not any more).
Kurtze is a Senior Associate specialising in taxation at a top 10 (nation wide) law firm. It would be impossible to commit to League footy and give his work the attention it needs. He's done well to last this long.
UK Fan, that may be "your understanding" but if you take the time to read the rules you'll find it's plainly wrong
by jo172 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:42 pm
by UK Fan » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:59 pm
jo172 wrote:Additionally, to UK Fan's assertion that they'd have no interest in Pembroke but for cash is plainly incorrect. One certainly turned down a much larger offer from a salary cap non-compliant league. Both would have had substantially more offered than Pembroke at even salary cap compliant leagues which have the marquee player rule
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by jo172 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:07 pm
UK Fan wrote:jo172 wrote:Additionally, to UK Fan's assertion that they'd have no interest in Pembroke but for cash is plainly incorrect. One certainly turned down a much larger offer from a salary cap non-compliant league. Both would have had substantially more offered than Pembroke at even salary cap compliant leagues which have the marquee player rule
So theyd play at pembroke for free and no employment offers ???
Purely the love of it.
BOLLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
by UK Fan » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:42 pm
jo172 wrote:UK Fan wrote:jo172 wrote:Additionally, to UK Fan's assertion that they'd have no interest in Pembroke but for cash is plainly incorrect. One certainly turned down a much larger offer from a salary cap non-compliant league. Both would have had substantially more offered than Pembroke at even salary cap compliant leagues which have the marquee player rule
So theyd play at pembroke for free and no employment offers ???
Purely the love of it.
BOLLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Did they play at Norwood, North and Sturt for free and just for the love of it? I don't understand your point?
Yes cash is a motivating factor. But the cash is less than their market value. Both will earn substantially less money from football in 2016 than they did in 2015 and both will earn a lot less at Pembroke than they would have else where. You should have seen Tanunda's offer to Kurtze.
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by Jim05 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:54 pm
jo172 wrote:UK Fan wrote:jo172 wrote:Additionally, to UK Fan's assertion that they'd have no interest in Pembroke but for cash is plainly incorrect. One certainly turned down a much larger offer from a salary cap non-compliant league. Both would have had substantially more offered than Pembroke at even salary cap compliant leagues which have the marquee player rule
So theyd play at pembroke for free and no employment offers ???
Purely the love of it.
BOLLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Did they play at Norwood, North and Sturt for free and just for the love of it? I don't understand your point?
Yes cash is a motivating factor. But the cash is less than their market value. Both will earn substantially less money from football in 2016 than they did in 2015 and both will earn a lot less at Pembroke than they would have else where. You should have seen Tanunda's offer to Kurtze.
by jo172 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:00 pm
by UK Fan » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:59 pm
jo172 wrote:It's well documented why Kurtze left. You cannot be a Senior Associate at Thomson Geer and commit to SANFL football. He'd be putting in 60 hour working weeks regularly. You cannot combine that with what is expected by a league club if you're doing the right thing by your employer and your club.
Short of Sturt topping his wage (which would be 6 figures) he was never going to continue playing SANFL.
He wants to keep playing though, at a level he can give a commitment to. If he can earn a few dollars doing so, so much the better.
jo172 wrote:Re Marquee players, the top paid SANFL players earn more than any community player as it is. This wouldn't accomplish much. If it's financial incentives the League needs to raise the salary cap league wide and increase game payments for League and Reserve. Whether this is actually sustainable I have no idea
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by Brodlach » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:05 am
Brodlach wrote:Rory Laird might end up the best IMO, he is an absolute jet. He has been in great form at the Bloods
by Booney » Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:52 am
Brodlach wrote:Paul Thomas retired to take up a position as development coach at the Crows
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by FlyingHigh » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:41 am
FOURTH ESTATE wrote:Bounce of the ball wrote:All the talk around salary caps with the Eagles , couldn't see Norwood recruiting too many more. Not a great history . Salary cap far too low anyway . Thats why guys like Gordon stand out in our comp but do nothing at AFL level. He isn't AFL standard. The AFL & SANFL have got this all wrong. Draft them at 20 , raise the SANFL salary cap significantly. Everyone wins. We see our young guns for a few years , our comp gets stronger. Then they are AFL ready to go in the first season as they have had the work put into them with strength and size and have been playing against mature bodies. It probably turns out cheaper for AFL clubs .
Been saying it for years lift the draft age let players mature in the SANFL & WAFL, let them get their Uni degrees etc then play in the AFL might get players from other states then wanting to get looked at by playing in the best two comps in the land outside of the AFL.
Works well in the USA, finish college get your degree play college football and get drafted makes sense to me!!!
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