by human_torpedo » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:57 am
by Jimmy_041 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:06 pm
human_torpedo wrote:And when they have played for another junior club for the entirety of their junior career, we either convince them at 17 to come to us or they will be points if they don't? So essentially we have a pool of 20-25 zero point kids to recruit per year, if they go elsewhere in the mean time then come back to us in the future, then that's bad luck for us?
by jo172 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:09 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:human_torpedo wrote:And when they have played for another junior club for the entirety of their junior career, we either convince them at 17 to come to us or they will be points if they don't? So essentially we have a pool of 20-25 zero point kids to recruit per year, if they go elsewhere in the mean time then come back to us in the future, then that's bad luck for us?
I thought they are "juniors" for life for both clubs (ie) if a kid plays 25 junior games for both Iggies and Athelstone, he is always zero points for either of those clubs.
If the same kid joins Golden Grove as his first senior club, he is also zero points for them, but that's it, he cant claim zero points for any other club than Old Iggies, Athelstone or GG (if he subsequently plays 25 senior games for them)
Is that right jo?
by Jimmy_041 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:15 pm
jo172 wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:human_torpedo wrote:And when they have played for another junior club for the entirety of their junior career, we either convince them at 17 to come to us or they will be points if they don't? So essentially we have a pool of 20-25 zero point kids to recruit per year, if they go elsewhere in the mean time then come back to us in the future, then that's bad luck for us?
I thought they are "juniors" for life for both clubs (ie) if a kid plays 25 junior games for both Iggies and Athelstone, he is always zero points for either of those clubs.
If the same kid joins Golden Grove as his first senior club, he is also zero points for them, but that's it, he cant claim zero points for any other club than Old Iggies, Athelstone or GG (if he subsequently plays 25 senior games for them)
Is that right jo?
So long as he hasn't had a detour at Norwood along the way that's my understanding.
Now let's say the hypothetical kid got expelled from St Ignatius, and then played 25 games at Rostrevor too. He's now zero points for four clubs!
by daysofourlives » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:43 pm
by jo172 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:37 pm
daysofourlives wrote:Can anyone tell the finer details of the 2 years out of the game and become a zero pointer when you start again?
Is it 2 years from your last game or 2 full seasons missed?
for eample a player injured in say June of 2014, does he become eligible to be a zero pointer in June 2016 or does he have to wait until start of the 2017 season?
by shoe boy » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:35 am
by Mr Beefy » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:57 am
jo172 wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Can anyone tell the finer details of the 2 years out of the game and become a zero pointer when you start again?
Is it 2 years from your last game or 2 full seasons missed?
for eample a player injured in say June of 2014, does he become eligible to be a zero pointer in June 2016 or does he have to wait until start of the 2017 season?
It's hadn't been registered anywhere for 2 years, so2017.
Would still be 2 less points since that year though
by daysofourlives » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:00 pm
Mr Beefy wrote:jo172 wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Can anyone tell the finer details of the 2 years out of the game and become a zero pointer when you start again?
Is it 2 years from your last game or 2 full seasons missed?
for eample a player injured in say June of 2014, does he become eligible to be a zero pointer in June 2016 or does he have to wait until start of the 2017 season?
It's hadn't been registered anywhere for 2 years, so2017.
Would still be 2 less points since that year though
If a player has not played football at any level for
24 months or more before resuming as a player he will
automatically have a Player Points Rating of zero (0).
by jo172 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:13 pm
by scottroo » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:00 pm
by daysofourlives » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:15 am
scottroo wrote:24 months since they last played.
Example john smith last played 18th April 2014 and you register him 19th April 2016 he is a zero point player. Had this discussion with john and tony last year
by Jetters » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:03 pm
by Mr Beefy » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:12 pm
Jetters wrote:A thought with the college sides and the points system...
Why do we judge a college player's point eligibility on games played for the school?? Surely a player's attachment to the school is primarily determined by the amount of time they spent there??
It would be a better solution and also make for simpler administration of the points system if 0 point eligibility was determined by years of enrollment. I suggest a player must have attended the college for 3 years of senior school (between yr 8-12) to be eligible for 0 points. Who cares if they played basketball or soccer, go there for 3 years in senior school and fair enough you are connected to that school.
This would solve the issue of colleges not keeping good records of games played and also the League receiving potentially dubious statistics on this issue when requested. Also, 3 years would help fix the 0 point eligibility some players claim when they have a very limited attachment to the school, ie when they receive scholarships in yr 11 and 12 to bolster their first 18's side.
It does seem ridiculous that PAC for example have a number of '0 point 'juniors'' who are 0 points because they were on scholarship and effectively paid juniors. Obviously scholarships are not dished out to service the Old Col's side, but that's the result in reality.
by jo172 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:08 pm
Mr Beefy wrote:Jetters wrote:A thought with the college sides and the points system...
Why do we judge a college player's point eligibility on games played for the school?? Surely a player's attachment to the school is primarily determined by the amount of time they spent there??
It would be a better solution and also make for simpler administration of the points system if 0 point eligibility was determined by years of enrollment. I suggest a player must have attended the college for 3 years of senior school (between yr 8-12) to be eligible for 0 points. Who cares if they played basketball or soccer, go there for 3 years in senior school and fair enough you are connected to that school.
This would solve the issue of colleges not keeping good records of games played and also the League receiving potentially dubious statistics on this issue when requested. Also, 3 years would help fix the 0 point eligibility some players claim when they have a very limited attachment to the school, ie when they receive scholarships in yr 11 and 12 to bolster their first 18's side.
It does seem ridiculous that PAC for example have a number of '0 point 'juniors'' who are 0 points because they were on scholarship and effectively paid juniors. Obviously scholarships are not dished out to service the Old Col's side, but that's the result in reality.
Why don't they just prove that they played 20 or more games since the year in which they turned 13 (or whatever the rule is)? Without proof, they are worth whatever their worth to anyone else who recruits them.
by Trader » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:23 pm
Jetters wrote:It does seem ridiculous that PAC for example have a number of '0 point 'juniors'' who are 0 points because they were on scholarship and effectively paid juniors. Obviously scholarships are not dished out to service the Old Col's side, but that's the result in reality.
by jo172 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:31 pm
Trader wrote:Jetters wrote:It does seem ridiculous that PAC for example have a number of '0 point 'juniors'' who are 0 points because they were on scholarship and effectively paid juniors. Obviously scholarships are not dished out to service the Old Col's side, but that's the result in reality.
I'm not sure that's the case.
I was speaking to a SPOC committee member last week and he said those that only did years 11 and 12 at the school are worth points still.
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:17 pm
by scottroo » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:19 pm
by jo172 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:23 pm
scottroo wrote:We had 3 brothers looking at returning to the club there dad played 140 games and the sons played a combined total of 300 junior games until they were 14. They then moved out of the area. Neither of them played enough games 13-18 to qualify as juniors.
Who should be the zero pointers, these lads or the college boy on scholarship who the schools loose records show they played 25 games
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