Round 11 chit chat

[Booney]

Wedgie does make a point

In the AFL the Power are now just another franchise

You have a whole generation of kids from every other state who only ever ever ever know of Port Adelaide as in the power (which doesn't have a history to hate or be threatened by) and wouldn't even know the magpies exsist.

Even if they did some research and heard the Magpies had won 30 plus SANFL premierships that would mean absolutely squat as they look at the SANFL of today.

For a modern day kid Port have as much relevance to a Collingwood fan as GWS, Fremantle and the Gold Coast do.

Who are the Magpies? Didn't they fold in 97?

See it as you wish, the fact remains Port Adelaide have 36 SANFL premierships and it's unlikely we'll still be typing when another club surpasses that number. ( Bar Norwood )

[Booney]

I did some searching 4-5 weeks ago and from memory off the top of my head Collingwood home crowds in home and away "home" fixtures have dropped by around 25%. Beaten only by Carlton who have dropped by 35-40%.

Essendon considering what they have been through can really hold their heads high as they have only dropped away minimally. The Melbourne attendances took a whack last year as we all know. The crowds have increased a little this year.

So Collingwood crowds are down about 25%? Thanks mate.

[Booney]

Hey Boon just a quick question. Would you consider it another premiership if the Magpies win a flag in the SANFL in the future?

Completely torn on the matter mate. I go to most Magpie home games ( it's around the corner from home ) and haven't been to an away games in the last two years. I go to all AFL home games.

No denying things are not as they once were, no denying, would it "mean" as much? I can't see how it could.

Would it be "another" premiership? Well, if it's the Port Adelaide Football Club and it's the SANFL then how else could it be counted?

( It's a new club argument comes walking through the door )

[whufc]

I did some searching 4-5 weeks ago and from memory off the top of my head Collingwood home crowds in home and away "home" fixtures have dropped by around 25%. Beaten only by Carlton who have dropped by 35-40%.

Essendon considering what they have been through can really hold their heads high as they have only dropped away minimally. The Melbourne attendances took a whack last year as we all know. The crowds have increased a little this year.

Surprised Carltons have dropped!

[LaughingKookaburra]

I did some searching 4-5 weeks ago and from memory off the top of my head Collingwood home crowds in home and away "home" fixtures have dropped by around 25%. Beaten only by Carlton who have dropped by 35-40%.

Essendon considering what they have been through can really hold their heads high as they have only dropped away minimally. The Melbourne attendances took a whack last year as we all know. The crowds have increased a little this year.

So Collingwood crowds are down about 25%? Thanks mate.

Sorry Boon they are down 25% since 2010. Home crowds that is. All these stats are since 2010

[LaughingKookaburra]

Hey Boon just a quick question. Would you consider it another premiership if the Magpies win a flag in the SANFL in the future?

Completely torn on the matter mate. I go to most Magpie home games ( it's around the corner from home ) and haven't been to an away games in the last two years. I go to all AFL home games.

No denying things are not as they once were, no denying, would it "mean" as much? I can't see how it could.

Would it be "another" premiership? Well, if it's the Port Adelaide Football Club and it's the SANFL then how else could it be counted?

( It's a new club argument comes walking through the door )

Does that mean the Crows could count it as a flag if they get up this year? I'm a Blues man and I would personally never recognise a Crows SANFL flag.

[Wedgie]

I did some searching 4-5 weeks ago and from memory off the top of my head Collingwood home crowds in home and away "home" fixtures have dropped by around 25%. Beaten only by Carlton who have dropped by 35-40%.

Before the Port game Collingwood were averaging 61,761 per home game. Up on their usual 50K which has been pretty consistent from 2005 onwards.
The Port game will probably knock that down 4K.
Not sure how you worked out 10K more per game is a 25% drop?

[Booney]

Hey Boon just a quick question. Would you consider it another premiership if the Magpies win a flag in the SANFL in the future?

Completely torn on the matter mate. I go to most Magpie home games ( it's around the corner from home ) and haven't been to an away games in the last two years. I go to all AFL home games.

No denying things are not as they once were, no denying, would it "mean" as much? I can't see how it could.

Would it be "another" premiership? Well, if it's the Port Adelaide Football Club and it's the SANFL then how else could it be counted?

( It's a new club argument comes walking through the door )

Does that mean the Crows could count it as a flag if they get up this year? I'm a Blues man and I would personally never recognise a Crows SANFL flag.

My argument at the time was give Adelaide half of Ports "zones" ( which would have been easy to do ) and they "create" an SANFL reserves side and U18's system play home games at Thebby ( not like they can't afford it ) and do the best we could to make it 10 clubs in the competition. Not 8 with a sort of and one not at all club.Limit AFL listed players in the SANFL league side, job done. It would have been a huge change but like Woodville and Centrals coming in when they did it would have been the norm after time. At least it would be a club.

Off track, but how would it be counted or recorded? ( As with Port winning one )

[LaughingKookaburra]

Richmond- Crowds well up

North, Dogs, Hawthorn-Steady

Essendon- Down around 10%

Collingwood-Fallen off a cliff by around 25%

Melbourne- Shithouse down around 30%

Carlton- Jesus Christ down just under 40%

All stats are home games since 2010.

[LaughingKookaburra]

I did some searching 4-5 weeks ago and from memory off the top of my head Collingwood home crowds in home and away "home" fixtures have dropped by around 25%. Beaten only by Carlton who have dropped by 35-40%.

Before the Port game Collingwood were averaging 61,761 per home game. Up on their usual 50K which has been pretty consistent from 2005 onwards.
The Port game will probably knock that down 4K.
Not sure how you worked out 10K more per game is a 25% drop?

Not true Wedgie their crowds sky rocketed past 63k during their peek, that's well up on the standard 50k. Last year they averaged 47k and that's a drop of 6% from the standard 50k. Also looking at Collingwoods home fixtures for the rest of the year they will drop to 50k at best average.

[Wedgie]

Collingwood-Fallen off a cliff by around 25%

Collingwood averaged 47K per home game in 2015
Collingwood average 57K per home game in 2016

Rd 2 v Richmond 72,761
Rd 4 v Melbourne 47,558
Rd 5 v Essendon 85,082
Rd 7 v Carlton 60,222
Rd 9 v Geelong 59,864
Rd 10 v Bulldogs 45,078
Rd 11 v Power 28,567

[Jim05]

Collingwood-Fallen off a cliff by around 25%

Collingwood averaged 47K per home game in 2015
Collingwood average 57K per home game in 2016

Rd 2 v Richmond 72,761
Rd 4 v Melbourne 47,558
Rd 5 v Essendon 85,082
Rd 7 v Carlton 60,222
Rd 9 v Geelong 59,864
Rd 10 v Bulldogs 45,078
Rd 11 v Power 28,567

His stats were from 2010 to now though

[Booney]

Collingwood-Fallen off a cliff by around 25%

Collingwood averaged 47K per home game in 2015
Collingwood average 57K per home game in 2016

Rd 2 v Richmond 72,761
Rd 4 v Melbourne 47,558
Rd 5 v Essendon 85,082
Rd 7 v Carlton 60,222
Rd 9 v Geelong 59,864
Rd 10 v Bulldogs 45,078
Rd 11 v Power 28,567

His stats were from 2010 to now though

Let him go.

[Wedgie]

Collingwood-Fallen off a cliff by around 25%

Collingwood averaged 47K per home game in 2015
Collingwood average 57K per home game in 2016

Rd 2 v Richmond 72,761
Rd 4 v Melbourne 47,558
Rd 5 v Essendon 85,082
Rd 7 v Carlton 60,222
Rd 9 v Geelong 59,864
Rd 10 v Bulldogs 45,078
Rd 11 v Power 28,567

His stats were from 2010 to now though

They're irrelevant as if it wasn't for a new stadium inflating overall crowd figures the entire league would be down 25% since GWS and Gold Coast entered the comp.
If we're going to shitcan someone for poor crowds it shouldn't be the club who has had the biggest home crowds for the last 12 years, who continue to be no 1 and are 10K per home game up on last year despite playing terribly and having had a Power game.

[The Bedge]

Is it time the AFL (and clubs) invested in smaller suburban footy grounds again with a 25-30k capacity? Surely they'd make better money having 30k in the 'burbs with lower costs than at the MCG?

[LaughingKookaburra]

Collingwood-Fallen off a cliff by around 25%

Collingwood averaged 47K per home game in 2015
Collingwood average 57K per home game in 2016

Rd 2 v Richmond 72,761
Rd 4 v Melbourne 47,558
Rd 5 v Essendon 85,082
Rd 7 v Carlton 60,222
Rd 9 v Geelong 59,864
Rd 10 v Bulldogs 45,078
Rd 11 v Power 28,567

His stats were from 2010 to now though

They're irrelevant as if it wasn't for a new stadium inflating overall crowd figures the entire league would be down 25% since GWS and Gold Coast entered the comp.
If we're going to shitcan someone for poor crowds it shouldn't be the club who has had the biggest home crowds for the last 12 years, who continue to be no 1 and are 10K per home game up on last year despite playing terribly and having had a Power game.

Rubbish they are irrelevant. Take out Geelong as their stadium was under construction and the Adelaide crowds because they had a new stadium. Also the NSW and Qld markets have another team enter which will impact their supporter base as some will jump ship in an already volatile market.

This leaves 6 clubs in Melbourne and Perth who at worst remained steady in complete like for like conditions through this time. There was only 4 clubs who's crowds declined and only 3 of them are of by 25% plus.... How does that generalise the rest of the comp being down 25%? That's a direct arrow at the club and its supporters...

[Jim05]

Is it time the AFL (and clubs) invested in smaller suburban footy grounds again with a 25-30k capacity? Surely they'd make better money having 30k in the 'burbs with lower costs than at the MCG?

The interstate clubs whinge now that they don't play on the MCG enough. Plus it's cheaper to play at the MCG than Etihad

[Booney]

"Only 28,567 came to the the MCG for this, so that whole ‘Collingwood is propping up the league stuff’ may need to be toned down a bit."

http://titusoreily.com/monday-knee-jerk ... -eleven-2/

[saintal]

Richmond- Crowds well up

North, Dogs, Hawthorn-Steady

Essendon- Down around 10%

Collingwood-Fallen off a cliff by around 25%

Melbourne- Shithouse down around 30%

Carlton- Jesus Christ down just under 40%

All stats are home games since 2010.

St Kilda about 20% down on 2010 also.

[Wedgie]

"Only 28,567 came to the the MCG for this, so that whole ‘Collingwood is propping up the league stuff’ may need to be toned down a bit."

Collingwood prop it up but the Power weigh it down even more.