bennymacca wrote:Dogwatcher wrote:As far as battle scenes go, I reckon it outdoes Saving Private Ryan for reality..
Thought there were quite a few plot holes really.
Somehow jon snow doesn't get 400 arrows in him when there are 100 archers shooting at only him - when Ramsay can hit rickon from longer away?
Then he kills like 100 people by himself
Then Sansa suddenly arrives with a whole army even though the travel time would have been days. So they would have been pretty close when Jon and Sansa had their argument - she either knew and didn't tell him, or they failed to either send Ravens or runners forward of the army to tell them they were coming.
Also, when both sides met each other, as if neither of them planned some sort of ambush. 5 archers hiding as Ramsay rides off and shoot him in the back.
Loved the cinematography but the plot was pretty average
Still an awesome episode though
PS the greyjoys have the fastest ships in history
I get your point, but there have to be plot holes in any battle scene in any movie/tv show - otherwise, how do the main protagonists survive to continue the story arc? It's the action and the reality of the battle around the characters that is important - can you believe what's happening around them? I sure as shit did.
In terms of cinematography, I reckon it was a step up from SPR. 15 or so years on, technological improvements allowed the producers to up the ante.
The way the horses, in the midst of battle, just appeared from nowhere to run through soldiers. The way a man just appears to come from nowhere to kill someone who's attention is elsewhere, probably just focused on survival. The way two men were fighting for their lives, only for a third to all of a sudden fatally end the fight. The noise, the groans, the injuries.
The best part, for mine, though, was Jon Snow gradually getting buried and trampled, fighting for breath, almost suffocating from the lack of air, which was rapidly becoming more fetid. That scene was claustrophobic, just as I imagine it would be in RL. Tormund's hand-to-hand battle and its ending also put the icing on the cake, so to speak. Those two moments really felt like the horrors that I'd read about on the Western Front (and heard in Dan Carlin's Hardcore History series about WWI) - I'd never seen anything on screen quite as vivid and 'realistic'.
The one question I'd have is, are there any battles in history where the bodies are recorded as being piled up in that way, forming a 'natural' wall?
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