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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Swamp Donkey » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:47 pm

Mythical Creature wrote:
Swamp Donkey wrote:Did the anti-Angle Vale alliance (Balak, HWE and United) get their way with the revised points system for next year?

Apparently due to the inability of clubs to successfully recruit and retain players we need to modify the points system - amusing :oops:


Mate, that was dealt with last year, just because there was 3 clubs who voted against and 3 (+1 for a change of mind :lol: ) that voted for, I guess that makes an alliance :roll:


;) Not suggesting that the alliance is still alive and well (though it may well be), but is it not the same three clubs (+ possibly 1) want to change the APS?
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Mythical Creature » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:01 pm

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Swamp Donkey wrote:Did the anti-Angle Vale alliance (Balak, HWE and United) get their way with the revised points system for next year?

Apparently due to the inability of clubs to successfully recruit and retain players we need to modify the points system - amusing :oops:


Mate, that was dealt with last year, just because there was 3 clubs who voted against and 3 (+1 for a change of mind :lol: ) that voted for, I guess that makes an alliance :roll:


;) Not suggesting that the alliance is still alive and well (though it may well be), but is it not the same three clubs (+ possibly 1) want to change the APS?


No Balaklava are the ones who want change and have put a motion up. Its up to each club to vote for or against. I know my personal opinion on the motion, but if it happens that Hummocks and United vote to support the change (and if they are the only 3 clubs) then that is purely coincidence that they have agreed on 2 topics in consecutive years. Trust me there is no alliance out to ruin the ride that Mallala have been on! ;) :D
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby OnSong » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:09 pm

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Swamp Donkey wrote:Did the anti-Angle Vale alliance (Balak, HWE and United) get their way with the revised points system for next year?

Apparently due to the inability of clubs to successfully recruit and retain players we need to modify the points system - amusing :oops:

Think the revision is trying to adjust the current formula (unique to the Adelaide Plains) to bring it in line with the Barossa's.
The points system would remain the same, but the win percentage formula is a suggested change, given a club like Mallala, which has a win percentage of (at a guess) 85 per cent over three or four years, can be allocated 8 points, while a less successful club like Balaklava, which has a win percentage closer to 60 per cent, is allocated 10.
I'm purely guessing figures and reasons why this is being proposed. But that's my best explanation for it.


That was my impression, but clearly the points system would not remain the same - it would be turned on its head. Changing the formula is a big change. The question for me is: why penalise clubs for effectively managing their playing list and reward those who can't?

Why penalise clubs for winning more matches than they lose? That's what the points system with this formula does.
The very aim of it is to make things more equitable across the competition. If it's not doing that under the current formula, or not believed to be doing that, then it's up for review.

From what I've seen, the change would result in Mallala and Virginia losing a point, maybe two, Balaklava, HWE, maybe Two Wells, gaining one, maybe two, and United, Angle Vale and Hamley all getting the full clip.

But again, I'm not sure on the specifics.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Swamp Donkey » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:16 pm

OnSong wrote:Why penalise clubs for winning more matches than they lose? That's what the points system with this formula does.
The very aim of it is to make things more equitable across the competition. If it's not doing that under the current formula, or not believed to be doing that, then it's up for review.

From what I've seen, the change would result in Mallala and Virginia losing a point, maybe two, Balaklava, HWE, maybe Two Wells, gaining one, maybe two, and United, Angle Vale and Hamley all getting the full clip.

But again, I'm not sure on the specifics.


I get that - but the points allocation that you've described (I get that its not exact) is a long way off the version I have seen. The one I saw had Mallala with 3 - which I'm sure would please most. Happy to cool the heels until I see the final proposal.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby magpieeagle » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:22 am

Swamp Donkey wrote:
OnSong wrote:Why penalise clubs for winning more matches than they lose? That's what the points system with this formula does.
The very aim of it is to make things more equitable across the competition. If it's not doing that under the current formula, or not believed to be doing that, then it's up for review.

From what I've seen, the change would result in Mallala and Virginia losing a point, maybe two, Balaklava, HWE, maybe Two Wells, gaining one, maybe two, and United, Angle Vale and Hamley all getting the full clip.

But again, I'm not sure on the specifics.


I get that - but the points allocation that you've described (I get that its not exact) is a long way off the version I have seen. The one I saw had Mallala with 3 - which I'm sure would please most. Happy to cool the heels until I see the final proposal.

Bad management shouldn't be rewarded-yet when you do the right things from Juniors up -onfield/off field you become the most hated club around, understand the bad population clubs but recruitment and holding them is the key, not constant turnovers.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby OnSong » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:37 am

Swamp Donkey wrote:
OnSong wrote:Why penalise clubs for winning more matches than they lose? That's what the points system with this formula does.
The very aim of it is to make things more equitable across the competition. If it's not doing that under the current formula, or not believed to be doing that, then it's up for review.

From what I've seen, the change would result in Mallala and Virginia losing a point, maybe two, Balaklava, HWE, maybe Two Wells, gaining one, maybe two, and United, Angle Vale and Hamley all getting the full clip.

But again, I'm not sure on the specifics.


I get that - but the points allocation that you've described (I get that its not exact) is a long way off the version I have seen. The one I saw had Mallala with 3 - which I'm sure would please most. Happy to cool the heels until I see the final proposal.

Yeah, I don't know the implications of the formula adjustment, just trying to provide some context behind it.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby OnSong » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:48 am

magpieeagle wrote:
Swamp Donkey wrote:
OnSong wrote:Why penalise clubs for winning more matches than they lose? That's what the points system with this formula does.
The very aim of it is to make things more equitable across the competition. If it's not doing that under the current formula, or not believed to be doing that, then it's up for review.

From what I've seen, the change would result in Mallala and Virginia losing a point, maybe two, Balaklava, HWE, maybe Two Wells, gaining one, maybe two, and United, Angle Vale and Hamley all getting the full clip.

But again, I'm not sure on the specifics.


I get that - but the points allocation that you've described (I get that its not exact) is a long way off the version I have seen. The one I saw had Mallala with 3 - which I'm sure would please most. Happy to cool the heels until I see the final proposal.

Bad management shouldn't be rewarded-yet when you do the right things from Juniors up -onfield/off field you become the most hated club around, understand the bad population clubs but recruitment and holding them is the key, not constant turnovers.

Well, it doesn't take Einstein to work that out. But Virginia would also be negatively impacted by it, and while they've not missed the A grade finals since 2008, you'd hardly say their junior management has been tip top. On the other hand, you'd say their overall retention of a core local group has been pretty good. So, sadly, it's not all about Mallala.
And if Two Wells were to go through a dominant patch, or HWE was to rekindle its dynasty through the 2000s, or if Angle Vale strung together some stability and capitalised on its outstanding junior numbers, it would affect them in the future too.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby OnSong » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:33 am

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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Swamp Donkey » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:03 am


Mitch Sandery is huge get for the Tigers. Quality inside mid - built like a brick sh*thouse.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby ROOBOY18 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:12 am

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Mitch Sandery is huge get for the Tigers. Quality inside mid - built like a brick sh*thouse.

Looked very fit last night at training, great kick of the footy, should be a great pick up.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Dr. Pink » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:58 pm

macalum and robinson to go home back north. also Michael and brice leaving peckers.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Dr. Pink » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:59 pm

Swamp Donkey wrote:

Mitch Sandery is huge get for the Tigers. Quality inside mid - built like a brick sh*thouse.


look him up on sport pulse. not 1 time in best player for 4 years. surely your taking the piss
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby ROOBOY18 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:08 pm

Dr. Pink wrote:
Swamp Donkey wrote:

Mitch Sandery is huge get for the Tigers. Quality inside mid - built like a brick sh*thouse.


look him up on sport pulse. not 1 time in best player for 4 years. surely your taking the piss

Playing coach last year so wouldn't expect his name in the best players, not sure if he was the coach before that tho.....B&F winner at South Adelaide I believe and also played at Norwood.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Mythical Creature » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:42 pm

Dr. Pink wrote:macalum and robinson to go home back north. also Michael and brice leaving peckers.


Padthaway?
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby hairy cat » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:11 pm

Whats the go with balak they seem to loose locals year in year out
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Greggy Gregginson » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:21 pm

Mythical Creature wrote:
Dr. Pink wrote:macalum and robinson to go home back north. also Michael and brice leaving peckers.


Padthaway?


Surely no one in the south east is paying enough $$ to warrant getting Brice and Michael to drive 4-5 hours a weekend to drive down there?
The standard is surely better than the APFL and neither of those guys would be worth than a few hundred bucks down there IMO
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Greggy Gregginson » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:22 pm

Mythical Creature wrote:
Dr. Pink wrote:macalum and robinson to go home back north. also Michael and brice leaving peckers.


Padthaway?


Surely no one in the south east is paying enough $$ to warrant getting Brice and Michael to drive 4-5 hours a weekend to drive down there?
The standard is surely better than the APFL and neither of those guys would be worth more than a few hundred bucks down there IMO
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Hazbeen » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:00 am

Greggy Gregginson wrote:
Mythical Creature wrote:
Dr. Pink wrote:macalum and robinson to go home back north. also Michael and brice leaving peckers.


Padthaway?


Surely no one in the south east is paying enough $$ to warrant getting Brice and Michael to drive 4-5 hours a weekend to drive down there?
The standard is surely better than the APFL and neither of those guys would be worth more than a few hundred bucks down there IMO


Neither has great injury records over the last few years (tampons - in for 1, out for 3) but if consistently on the park are top end A graders.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby magpieeagle » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:37 pm


Since when have clearance's been allowed in November ? Before 1st Feb.
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Postby Mythical Creature » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:42 pm

magpieeagle wrote:

Since when have clearance's been allowed in November ? Before 1st Feb.

Its just rewardung badly managed clubs so they can get the jump on mallala! :lol:
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