by Bombers4EVA » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:03 pm
by Booney » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:24 pm
by Bombers4EVA » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:28 pm
Booney wrote:In a word, no. Why? I don't think Watson should have handed his Brownlow back. I think the whole investigation was so shambolic, as was the "supplements program", that very little was proven beyond reasonable doubt. In fact the CAS finding was "to a reasonable satisfaction", hardly enough to hang, draw and quarter someone.
So no, I don't think Swan and Cousins should hand back their awards after admitting to illicit drug use during their careers.
This might create some debate, however.
by saintal » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:30 pm
by Bombers4EVA » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:32 pm
saintal wrote:No. As long as the drugs aren't performance enhancing then play on...
by carey » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:36 pm
Bombers4EVA wrote:saintal wrote:No. As long as the drugs aren't performance enhancing then play on...
So if you "allegedly" take speed or meth or any type of illicit drug that gives you a high. You don't think that will increase your performance on field?
by Booney » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:38 pm
Bombers4EVA wrote:saintal wrote:No. As long as the drugs aren't performance enhancing then play on...
So if you "allegedly" take speed or meth or any type of illicit drug that gives you a high. You don't think that will increase your performance on field?
by Bombers4EVA » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:41 pm
carey wrote:Bombers4EVA wrote:saintal wrote:No. As long as the drugs aren't performance enhancing then play on...
So if you "allegedly" take speed or meth or any type of illicit drug that gives you a high. You don't think that will increase your performance on field?
100% No.
by Q. » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:50 pm
by Bombers4EVA » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:54 pm
Q. wrote:Stimulants are banned for in-competition use.
Swan has suggested he used recreational drugs out-of-competition.
by Magellan » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:08 pm
Bombers4EVA wrote:carey wrote:Bombers4EVA wrote:saintal wrote:No. As long as the drugs aren't performance enhancing then play on...
So if you "allegedly" take speed or meth or any type of illicit drug that gives you a high. You don't think that will increase your performance on field?
100% No.
So the effects won't make you feel invincible or untouchable? Run that little bit harder? Give you that little bit more energy?
by MW » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:20 pm
Bombers4EVA wrote:carey wrote:Bombers4EVA wrote:saintal wrote:No. As long as the drugs aren't performance enhancing then play on...
So if you "allegedly" take speed or meth or any type of illicit drug that gives you a high. You don't think that will increase your performance on field?
100% No.
So the effects won't make you feel invincible or untouchable? Run that little bit harder? Give you that little bit more energy?
by Bombers4EVA » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:29 pm
by Booney » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:31 pm
Bombers4EVA wrote:I can remember quite a few games where I've played against teams who their players would have been under some sort of illicit drugs. And did those guys tear us apart. Especially in 2 - 3 quarters.
by amber_fluid » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:34 pm
Bombers4EVA wrote:Here's a question for you. Do you think that Ben Cousin's and Dane Swan should hand in their Brownlow Medals based on their own admissions that they took illicit drugs during their AFL careers? Even go as far as saying that allegedly during those years that they won their Brownlow Medals? Just a question into their integrity as players who won the AFL's most prestigious award for the Best and Fairest player. Now I'm not saying that they weren't the "Best" player for that season. But to say that they were the "Fairest". That would have to be seriously questionable. Especially after the drug scandal that Jobe Watson was punished for and the end result being him handing back his medal. I know some of you will say that there's a difference in Performance drugs to Illicit drugs. I don't. And I think that they should all be reprimanded the same way as Jobe has. Just my thoughts. Anyone care to offer theirs?
by Bombers4EVA » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:35 pm
Booney wrote:Bombers4EVA wrote:I can remember quite a few games where I've played against teams who their players would have been under some sort of illicit drugs. And did those guys tear us apart. Especially in 2 - 3 quarters.
But we're talking about a couple of blokes winning a Brownlow in the last 10 years,a little different to a fella flying for half a match in the park on a Saturday.
by Bombers4EVA » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:36 pm
amber_fluid wrote:Bombers4EVA wrote:Here's a question for you. Do you think that Ben Cousin's and Dane Swan should hand in their Brownlow Medals based on their own admissions that they took illicit drugs during their AFL careers? Even go as far as saying that allegedly during those years that they won their Brownlow Medals? Just a question into their integrity as players who won the AFL's most prestigious award for the Best and Fairest player. Now I'm not saying that they weren't the "Best" player for that season. But to say that they were the "Fairest". That would have to be seriously questionable. Especially after the drug scandal that Jobe Watson was punished for and the end result being him handing back his medal. I know some of you will say that there's a difference in Performance drugs to Illicit drugs. I don't. And I think that they should all be reprimanded the same way as Jobe has. Just my thoughts. Anyone care to offer theirs?
Ben Cousins has probably sold his anyway............
by am Bays » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:38 pm
by Bombers4EVA » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:41 pm
am Bays wrote:MAke no mistake and I've said this on here before, all throughout the Bomber doping scandal, ICE, cocaine, speed etc are all performance enhancing as well detrimental to your health
Everything Q, MW and Bombers4EVA has said is true, those drugs impair your bodies normal endocrine and nervous system so the euphoric high makes you run faster and longer and jump higher as the the bodies natural feelings of fatigue are diminished
If you want to know what the side effects of amphetamines in elite sport watch this video of Tommy Simpson on Mt Ventoux in Le tour .
He dies of a heart attack as his bodies ability to regulate itself has been over-ridden by the "speed" in his system
Amphetamines like speed were the "first generation" of PEDs used in sport in the 19th and 20th century and they are the most easily detected.
Booney Watson lost his Brownlow because he broke the WADA and ASADA drug testing code by filling in and signing drug testing forms stating he wasn't taking any other supplements when he and the other 33 later admitted to taking what they thought was Thyomosin4 but was most likely Thyomosin beta 4.
by am Bays » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:50 pm
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