by morell » Tue May 16, 2017 11:39 am
by jo172 » Tue May 16, 2017 11:44 am
by morell » Tue May 16, 2017 11:47 am
by Half Back Flanker » Tue May 16, 2017 2:25 pm
by zedman » Tue May 16, 2017 2:32 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Tue May 16, 2017 2:41 pm
by morell » Tue May 16, 2017 2:51 pm
There you go, so that is the desired outcome that we've all agreed upon. So what are the processes that we need to implement to ensure our chances of reaching that outcome?Half Back Flanker wrote:At the end of the day Morell, if you want your club to climb the divisions and get out of Div 7 you need to commit and build success.
Exactly, so an agreed upon desired outcome. That has to come first, as it dictates what processes and procedures you implement.Half Back Flanker wrote:That happens through a group of committed people with a common goal working together.
by morell » Tue May 16, 2017 3:03 pm
Wont be easy, they were evens with TTG at quarter time and just ran out of legs. I am hoping to not have to play on ChessonLightning McQueen wrote:Mitchell Park to increase their percentage and tie up top spot at the half way mark with a comfortable win over Fluni.
If you're looking for an upset, this is your chance.Lightning McQueen wrote:Lutheran to continue the Units horror run with an away win.
50/50 gameLightning McQueen wrote:St.Pauls should have enough fire power to keep their motor running against Adel Uni.
I am not sure what this means I need to de-LM it.Lightning McQueen wrote:Will Para Hills bounce back and will the extra colour on their guensey get them over the line with the journey up Milne Road?
by The Bedge » Tue May 16, 2017 3:11 pm
morell wrote:I am not sure what this means I need to de-LM it.
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by human_torpedo » Tue May 16, 2017 3:13 pm
morell wrote:There you go, so that is the desired outcome that we've all agreed upon. So what are the processes that we need to implement to ensure our chances of reaching that outcome?Half Back Flanker wrote:At the end of the day Morell, if you want your club to climb the divisions and get out of Div 7 you need to commit and build success.Exactly, so an agreed upon desired outcome. That has to come first, as it dictates what processes and procedures you implement.Half Back Flanker wrote:That happens through a group of committed people with a common goal working together.
Ergo, back to the original point, if the desired outcome for Para Hills is to increase training attendance, I think the process they implemented was incorrect. OKC! effectively confirmed this. Classic case of sticking to the process rather than focusing on the outcome. It's not right or wrong, it just doesn't match. It's counter intuitive. To me anyway.
They lost a game because of it. It might hurt, it might not, but it doesn't change the lack of organisational cultural knowledge exhibited.
by Lightning McQueen » Tue May 16, 2017 3:19 pm
Zartan wrote:morell wrote:I am not sure what this means I need to de-LM it.
TTg are black and red.. PH are black, red and white
by OKC! » Tue May 16, 2017 3:42 pm
human_torpedo wrote:morell wrote:There you go, so that is the desired outcome that we've all agreed upon. So what are the processes that we need to implement to ensure our chances of reaching that outcome?Half Back Flanker wrote:At the end of the day Morell, if you want your club to climb the divisions and get out of Div 7 you need to commit and build success.Exactly, so an agreed upon desired outcome. That has to come first, as it dictates what processes and procedures you implement.Half Back Flanker wrote:That happens through a group of committed people with a common goal working together.
Ergo, back to the original point, if the desired outcome for Para Hills is to increase training attendance, I think the process they implemented was incorrect. OKC! effectively confirmed this. Classic case of sticking to the process rather than focusing on the outcome. It's not right or wrong, it just doesn't match. It's counter intuitive. To me anyway.
They lost a game because of it. It might hurt, it might not, but it doesn't change the lack of organisational cultural knowledge exhibited.
Again, you're commenting and making opinions and judgements based purely on speculation because you actually don't know what they are trying to achieve.
OKC has stated training and football are down on his priority list. No shock, that's the case for a lot of players at a lot of clubs in div 5-7.. That doesn't mean Para Hills are wrong in doing what they are doing. How do you know it wasn't already planned in previous meetings with player and coach? you don't. What if Cree and Hanson were the only 2 players on the list not training so were dealt with accordingly? But, in doing so, every other player is training knowing that this is how things are? Is that a failure of process? I think not. Is going against your rules and what you are trying to establish as a culture within a club worth it for winning a round 6 game when you were already undefeated? Or is the message sent perhaps more valuable long term?
Every club is different so stop tyring to tar everything with the same brush. Players lack commitment and prioritise football less across the board, we have accepted that, stop trying to bring down people who are actively trying to establish ways of changing that, just because you disagree with the methods and process
by morell » Tue May 16, 2017 3:45 pm
I was going on carey's and others subsequent posts where they said they hadn't trained, so they got dropped to set standards raa di raa raa.human_torpedo wrote:morell wrote:There you go, so that is the desired outcome that we've all agreed upon. So what are the processes that we need to implement to ensure our chances of reaching that outcome?Half Back Flanker wrote:At the end of the day Morell, if you want your club to climb the divisions and get out of Div 7 you need to commit and build success.Exactly, so an agreed upon desired outcome. That has to come first, as it dictates what processes and procedures you implement.Half Back Flanker wrote:That happens through a group of committed people with a common goal working together.
Ergo, back to the original point, if the desired outcome for Para Hills is to increase training attendance, I think the process they implemented was incorrect. OKC! effectively confirmed this. Classic case of sticking to the process rather than focusing on the outcome. It's not right or wrong, it just doesn't match. It's counter intuitive. To me anyway.
They lost a game because of it. It might hurt, it might not, but it doesn't change the lack of organisational cultural knowledge exhibited.
Again, you're commenting and making opinions and judgements based purely on speculation because you actually don't know what they are trying to achieve.
Because of carey and others posts. Maybe carey got the wrong end of the stick I don't know.human_torpedo wrote:OKC has stated training and football are down on his priority list. No shock, that's the case for a lot of players at a lot of clubs in div 5-7.. That doesn't mean Para Hills are wrong in doing what they are doing. How do you know it wasn't already planned in previous meetings with player and coach? you don't. What if Cree and Hanson were the only 2 players on the list not training so were dealt with accordingly? But, in doing so, every other player is training knowing that this is how things are? Is that a failure of process? I think not. Is going against your rules and what you are trying to establish as a culture within a club worth it for winning a round 6 game when you were already undefeated? Or is the message sent perhaps more valuable long term?
Organisation culture, change management and fundamental human psychology are very well founded, researched and proven academic fields.human_torpedo wrote:Every club is different so stop tyring to tar everything with the same brush. Players lack commitment and prioritise football less across the board, we have accepted that, stop trying to bring down people who are actively trying to establish ways of changing that, just because you disagree with the methods and process
by morell » Tue May 16, 2017 3:51 pm
by morell » Tue May 16, 2017 4:02 pm
by OKC! » Tue May 16, 2017 4:07 pm
by morell » Tue May 16, 2017 4:10 pm
by Footy Chick » Tue May 16, 2017 4:52 pm
OKC! wrote:Wasnt a go at anyone.
Gatt_Weasel wrote:if they (Walkerville) dont win the flag ill run around the block of my street naked :) you can grab a chair and enjoy the view
by morell » Tue May 16, 2017 5:50 pm
by old farmer » Tue May 16, 2017 7:06 pm
morell wrote:Its bucketing down here.
Might take the OKC! route.
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