Best team of the 21st Century

[Jim05]

Brown ahead of Lloyd is laughable. In the 2000's Brown kicked over 50 goals just 4 times with the his highest tally being 85 in 2009. Lloyd kicked over 50 7 times including 2 seasons over 100 and 2 seasons in the 90's

The two aren't comparable I dont reckon

They are when Brown is named at FF when Lloyd was a far better FF

[batmanbegins]

I'd take Simon black over selwood and dangerifield, he was an unbelievable player. Not sure how Harvey makes the team he would struggle to make my second team.

[Wedgie]

Fair call about Lloyd, probably the best true FF of the century but Id have Brown at CHF and Riewoldt on the bench or roaming from a flank.

[JK]

Brown ahead of Lloyd is laughable. In the 2000's Brown kicked over 50 goals just 4 times with the his highest tally being 85 in 2009. Lloyd kicked over 50 7 times including 2 seasons over 100 and 2 seasons in the 90's

The two aren't comparable I dont reckon

They are when Brown is named at FF when Lloyd was a far better FF

Yeah from that perspective it's fair enough I guess, not that any best of teams are completely position specific

[LaughingKookaburra]

Put Franklin to CHF, Reiwoldt to the pine and sorry but Brown misses. Lloyd to FF hands down.

Piss Selwood off, as much of a clown he is Cousins every day of the week. Bloke was an absolute gun.

I'd put Ricciuto over Black on the emergencies too not that it's worth much.

[amber_fluid]

Every player listed as an emergency makes the interchange before Brent Harvey surely?

It's not a proper "team" as such otherwise there'd be a small forward named in the starting side. Stephen Milne thus should be somewhere in that side along with Boomer.

It's not a real team?
C'mon man don't ruin it for me

[amber_fluid]

Steve.

Really?
I just assumed it was Brad.
I'd take Brad before Steve any day.

[Brodlach]

Steve.

Really?
I just assumed it was Brad.
I'd take Brad before Steve any day.

I thought it was Brad too until the question was asked and I checked. Hadn't even thought about Steve

[Feenix]

As much as I love Danger and Selwood I would put Swan ahead of them. Maybe in 5 years time we can put Danger and Selwood in there. I reckon Akermanis is stiff to not even get a mention too

[Booney]

B: Enright Scarlett Wanganeen
HB: Hodge (C) Rance McLeod
C: Ruccuito Voss Pendlebury
HF: Johnson Riewoldt Hird
F: Goodes Lloyd Franklin
R: Cox Judd Ablett
I: Mitchell Dangerfield Swan Pavlich
E: Black, Buckley, Brown, Tredrea Harvey

Out - Selwood and Johnson
In Ruccuito and Wanganeen

Lloyd with 3.43 goals per game must be ahead of Brown on 2.32 goals per game. I'd swap Lloyd for Brown.

I'd also have Swan in ahead of Harvey.

And if Brown gets the nod over Tredrea through weight of premierships then Tredrea bumps Richardson off the emergency list.

I think Ruccuito must be in there, I'll exchange him for Selwood.

I think Wanganeen should be in ahead of Johnson in the back pocket.

Tough ask for anyone and something as subjective as this is very difficult to agree on.

[morell]

I wouldn't even consider Rutten or Tredrea.
Lol @ my spell check for trying to change them into Rotten and Treated.

Agree Wedgie

How can you not at least consider Tredrea?
I wouldn't have him in front of the others mentioned but he is very stiff too miss out nonetheless.

For the CHF spot I would have Riewoldt, Tredrea, Richardson and Pavlich, in that order, all ahead of Brown. Lloyd and Franklin are full forwards.

Brown continues to be the single most overrated player of the modern era. He was second fiddle for a huge portion of his career (when they won their flags) took the second, sometimes third best defender and then objectively failed as the main man after Lynch retired. He was also fortunate to be on the end of perhaps the greatest midfield ever assembled in our sport. Voss, Black, Akermanis, Lappin et al giving him opportunity after opportunity on silver platters. At the Gabba no less, where IMO Brisbane enjoyed a massive home ground advantage.

The argument that he "won flags" is so mind mindbogglingly stupid I honesty cannot believe people still trot it out. Is Shane Ellen a better player than Robert Harvey? Premierships are a *team* accolade/reward you bunch of poo flinging rock apes. It's not a metric you can use to differentiate individual players. It's not tennis!

Tredrea is clean cut, polite, respectable - strictly professional and perhaps aloof. He cared not for the adoration of others and this has cost him several rungs on the totem pole of football history.

... but that J.Brown. He was so tough wasn't he? He ran back with the flight that time and phwoar! #SoBrave. He loved punching blokes and drinking beer and speaking like an ocker bogan. So we naturally love him because we can relate. I understand the love. I love Tom Logan for the same reasons.

But in the cold hard light of day, he really didn't deliver as much as others in the conversation. Especially not as much as Warren Gary. No doubt the troglodytes wont like it, but the facts don't lie. When both were at their relative peaks Warren Tredrea won 4 All Australians in a row over Brown (and others). Brown only got a look in once Tredrea had his knee issues.

Was Brown a good player? Undoubtedly. In the conversation for an accolade such as this? Perhaps. But Tredrea's lower esteem in the game vs Browns overrated output is one of the sports greatest pundit travesties.

[Booney]

Team success can often be put down to an individuals dominance, morrel.

One name not mentioned, Matt Primus, I don't think he goes in ahead of Cox but the rules of the game committee changed the rules based on his dominance in 02/03.

[morell]

Team success can often be put down to an individuals dominance, morrel.

Not in AFL.

Basketball. Yes.
Soccer. Sometimes.

A game where there are *17* other people on the ground? And there are positions that are specifically reliant on your team mates to be successful?

Nah. Not relevant.

If anything, Tredrea's output as an individual player should see him being rated *higher* because his team wasn't as good.

[Lightning McQueen]

Team success can often be put down to an individuals dominance, morrel.

One name not mentioned, Matt Primus, I don't think he goes in ahead of Cox but the rules of the game committee changed the rules based on his dominance in 02/03.

morrell*

[Booney]

If anything, Tredrea's output as an individual player should see him being rated *higher* because his team wasn't as good.

His team didn't win as many premierships, but to say they weren't as good is a bit off the mark IMO.

2001
Port 16/6
Brisbane 17/5
2002
Port 18/4
Brisbane 17/5
2003
Port 18/4
Brisbane 15/7
2004
Port 17/5
Brisbane 16/6

In that period, bar through September, Port were every bit as good as Brisbane.

[Brodlach]

I think you have sold Johnathon Brown so short Morrell. In my 47 years of watching footy I rate him as one of the best players I have seen. Because he played up in Brisbane too many people dismiss what he did. If he played in SA or Victoria he would be lauded as a pure champion of the game


And I don't support Brisbane

[Bum Crack]

Team success can often be put down to an individuals dominance, morrel.

One name not mentioned, Matt Primus, I don't think he goes in ahead of Cox but the rules of the game committee changed the rules based on his dominance in 02/03.

LOL

[Booney]

Team success can often be put down to an individuals dominance, morrel.

One name not mentioned, Matt Primus, I don't think he goes in ahead of Cox but the rules of the game committee changed the rules based on his dominance in 02/03.

LOL

Which bit, mate?

Can only assume the first bit as the second part is true.

[morell]

If anything, Tredrea's output as an individual player should see him being rated *higher* because his team wasn't as good.

His team didn't win as many premierships, but to say they weren't as good is a bit off the mark IMO.

2001
Port 16/6
Brisbane 17/5
2002
Port 18/4
Brisbane 17/5
2003
Port 18/4
Brisbane 15/7
2004
Port 17/5
Brisbane 16/6

In that period, bar through September, Port were every bit as good as Brisbane.

I do agree, but you can't use team outcomes to measure a player's worth in AFL, you just can't man, there are way too many variables.

Been many an absolute champion that have played for dud sides.

[Booney]

And plenty of good sides who become great because of a champion playing at their very best. It's one of those variables.