by Dogwatcher » Fri May 25, 2018 10:44 am
by morell » Fri May 25, 2018 10:47 am
by morell » Fri May 25, 2018 10:53 am
“There are too many people in South Australia who are experiencing homelessness,” he told the gathering at Adelaide Oval’s Magarey Room.
“And whilst a lot of people want to jump onto talkback radio and think that they’re the instant experts of this very, very complex area of social policy, we know and we’re very grateful that there are some people who are extraordinarily dedicated to dealing with this complex area of public policy in a considered and professional way.”
by jo172 » Fri May 25, 2018 11:08 am
morell wrote:Might I also say... Well done Premier Marshall for standing up for human beings in the face of the easy popularity winning alternative.“There are too many people in South Australia who are experiencing homelessness,” he told the gathering at Adelaide Oval’s Magarey Room.
“And whilst a lot of people want to jump onto talkback radio and think that they’re the instant experts of this very, very complex area of social policy, we know and we’re very grateful that there are some people who are extraordinarily dedicated to dealing with this complex area of public policy in a considered and professional way.”
by jo172 » Fri May 25, 2018 11:10 am
Dogwatcher wrote:Corey still thinks he's a journalist and is taking journalistic solutions to political issues.
That's good in opposition. Not so good in power.
I think he can be a very good pollie. Needs to rein it in and think more strategically.
by bennymacca » Fri May 25, 2018 11:43 am
Psyber wrote:I don't want the area "promoted" - I'd rather keep the crowds away and the streets clear...
by Trader » Fri May 25, 2018 11:50 am
morell wrote:So in your specific example, you'd see the TDU and the trampled plants as a wastewater of money and a non essential service. The local cafe, however, would be eternally grateful and would much prefer that to a smooth footpath.Psyber wrote:I don't want the area "promoted" - I'd rather keep the crowds away and the streets clear...
This was the point I was trying to make to Trader when he was claiming the private sector is "more efficient". That entire premise is based on an assumption of the measurement one would use, as well as the value one puts on what we are measuring!!
by Booney » Fri May 25, 2018 11:54 am
bennymacca wrote:Psyber wrote:I don't want the area "promoted" - I'd rather keep the crowds away and the streets clear...
I really don't get this mentality. surely as a conservative you would want to promote small businesses in the area?
by bennymacca » Fri May 25, 2018 12:00 pm
by morell » Fri May 25, 2018 12:31 pm
Correct.Trader wrote:I say the WAY Council provides services is inefficient, and you tell me that because I don't rate WHAT they provide.
by Trader » Fri May 25, 2018 12:58 pm
morell wrote:Correct.Trader wrote:I say the WAY Council provides services is inefficient, and you tell me that because I don't rate WHAT they provide.
To me, efficiency is a measure of outcome vs resources.
The lower you value the outcome, the lower the resources you'd apply to it.
The best example you've provided of your thinking is "it is utterly ridiculous that there is a full time employee ringing old people to see if they're still alive"
You don't value that output, so the resource of one FTE is not efficient.
Someone who uses that service or has elderly relatives that do, would think that service is worth its weight it gold and is ultra efficient.
And you know I don't disagree on a personal level, I'm saying the community often does.
Trader wrote:Lets say the private sector produces 1 widget every day using 1 man.
If Local Government can produce that same widget by lunchtime, are they more efficient even though they employ 7 staff to do it?
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind local government is over resourced for the output they produce.
by morell » Fri May 25, 2018 1:17 pm
Depends on the value of that project. 3PMs should be able to deliver a better outcome in regards to time, quality and cost. If that isn't the case, then I would question the quality of those PMs, not the entire industry at large.Trader wrote:My comments on Council efficiency have related to their over resourcing to provide a set outcome.Trader wrote:Lets say the private sector produces 1 widget every day using 1 man.
If Local Government can produce that same widget by lunchtime, are they more efficient even though they employ 7 staff to do it?
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind local government is over resourced for the output they produce.
What are your thoughts on using 3 PMs to deliver 1 job when in reality 1 PM should be able to deliver it (and many more) on his/her own?
The output is the same (that job delivered), but the resourcing is completely different.
by Jimmy_041 » Fri May 25, 2018 3:25 pm
Psyber wrote:morell wrote:Psyber wrote:As I said above - the escape for councils of raising service fees instead of rates has to be blocked too...
That is the only way to force them to cut unnecessary activities and stick to providing essential services which is wat they exist for.
Council's aren't able to pick and choose what they provide or cut - at a high level. LG is heavily dictated by what they can and can't do by the Local Government Act.
Classic example is the NRM levy. I know of high level people that fought and fought to not shift that to Local Government to collect. But in the end, it is a State imposed tax that legislatively Councils must collect. Same goes for the Solid Waste Levy.
Most Council's would *love* to scrap half the shit they have to do. They can't. By law.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 190f45fbbc
I'd scrap subsidising bicycle races (and replacing plants pulped by the bike fans which a local council gardener told me was happening) and giving out grants to "community organisations" in favour of adequate waste collection and maintaining footpaths, but I agree the state government should collect their own levies and wear the flack for them themselves - I hadn't realised the ALP had been sneaky enough to stick the councils with that job.
by Ronnie » Fri May 25, 2018 3:58 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Fri May 25, 2018 6:10 pm
Ronnie wrote:haha Unley is a perfect example of where rate capping, whether it happens or not, has caused a change in public thinking by some councilors who I haven't noticed were worried too much in the past about fairly steep rate rises. Now all of a sudden it is cough, cough, what can we do differently...
by morell » Fri May 25, 2018 8:01 pm
Unley's rate increase rose from 2.2% in 16/17 to 2.9% in 17/18Ronnie wrote:haha Unley is a perfect example of where rate capping, whether it happens or not, has caused a change in public thinking by some councilors who I haven't noticed were worried too much in the past about fairly steep rate rises. Now all of a sudden it is cough, cough, what can we do differently...
by Ronnie » Mon May 28, 2018 3:30 pm
morell wrote:Unley's rate increase rose from 2.2% in 16/17 to 2.9% in 17/18Ronnie wrote:haha Unley is a perfect example of where rate capping, whether it happens or not, has caused a change in public thinking by some councilors who I haven't noticed were worried too much in the past about fairly steep rate rises. Now all of a sudden it is cough, cough, what can we do differently...
But cool story
Again, the proposed Rate Capping policy will have next to no impact on actual budgets. And in turn peoples rates notices.
by Trader » Mon May 28, 2018 5:07 pm
Ronnie wrote:morell wrote:Unley's rate increase rose from 2.2% in 16/17 to 2.9% in 17/18Ronnie wrote:haha Unley is a perfect example of where rate capping, whether it happens or not, has caused a change in public thinking by some councilors who I haven't noticed were worried too much in the past about fairly steep rate rises. Now all of a sudden it is cough, cough, what can we do differently...
But cool story
Again, the proposed Rate Capping policy will have next to no impact on actual budgets. And in turn peoples rates notices.
Through the first half of this decade Unley's 5 year average was 4.93%. This was during a time of very low CPI and wages growth.
by Dogwatcher » Mon May 28, 2018 5:39 pm
by Psyber » Mon May 28, 2018 7:49 pm
morell wrote:Psyber wrote:I don't want the area "promoted" - I'd rather keep the crowds away and the streets clear...
and this is what it comes down to really.
You don't want the area promoted. Fair enough! Many would and events like that is what helps make local businesses, many of which are owned and operated by locals, as well as employing locals, do.
So in your specific example, you'd see the TDU and the trampled plants as a wastewater of money and a non essential service. The local cafe, however, would be eternally grateful and would much prefer that to a smooth footpath.
This was the point I was trying to make to Trader when he was claiming the private sector is "more efficient". That entire premise is based on an assumption of the measurement one would use, as well as the value one puts on what we are measuring!!
He, you and I might think social programs and events are a waste of money, but if that is what the rest of the community wants and needs and is willing to pay for, then who are we to demand otherwise?
I still think a great way to curb rates that gets ignored is to vote for people that represent your ideals. Vote in the elections. Lobby your councillor. Engage in consultation.
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