The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[whufc]

Players get to compete against AFL calibre players, structures and fitness level
Sides aren't compromised by AFL players coming in and out, and being asked to be played in certain positions
No byes
$$$$$ direct to each club (from Crows)

On the flip side -

1/ Players also play against top ups that couldn't make it at league level but now get gifted a league game for little effort
2/ Agree that is a small positive, not sure it was a huge issue though
3/ Plenty of byes, look at last weekend and this weekend, if anything the season is now more disjointed
4/ $50k of income not huge when clubs are turning over $3m, would love to see a comparison on the drop off of income, esp gate takings/sponsorship

No.2 is a dual-edged sword .. SANFL clubs lost a fair bit of talent out of it which was hard to replace with reduced Salary Cap. The players didn't belong to us so no complaints there and the reduced TPP isn't the fault of the AFL clubs.

I actually liked having players from AFL clubs come into the club and play. On many occasions I found they added value to the squad and it wasn't great seeing some players fall in love with your club ala Guerra and Gunston at Centrals.

But like nearly all SANFL fans we can understand the want and need for the AFL clubs to have all their players playing together. (Despite the fact that their is no actual evidence that suggests the current system improves their squad, players, premiership chances.)

Have your reserves team but just not in our comp. Before anyone says 'oh but the standard will be shit without the AFL players etc' The reason I go watch Centrals has never been about the standard of football, just the same as I go and watch Eastern Park when I can regardless of whether there in div1 or currently in div4.

[Dogwatcher]

It's not my fight to have. I'm not the one upset about it guys.
I provided you with some positives but something tells me I could tell you anything and you will disagree or make it a negative.

Simple fact is support your club instead of throwing your toys out of the cot.

Given this post appeared straight after mine, I can only assume I am among the people you're responding to.
I haven't thrown my toys out of the cot. I'm there in the same spot my family has been for four generations.
If there were positives, I'd agree. We'll take the $50k, but that doesn't cover anywhere near what this competition has lost.

[hollywood7477]

It won’t be Port or the Crows that destroy the SANFL. It’s the so called supporters that haven’t moved on and won’t support their club because the league did something they didn’t like.

So you're putting it on the supporters even though you've just highlighted poor governance by the SANFL?

You blokes can sit there smugly because the clubs YOU love are in the big league, guaranteed survival and relevance by the bulging wallet of the AFL. No problem with that, good luck to you, but don't sit there judging other clubs and their supporters that aren't afforded the same luxury.

Im a West Coast Supporter. The club you support Norwood are guaranteed survival because you dont have a salary cap like the other clubs in the SANFL

Yes because WC don't have that same luxury? As usual, can't defend an argument so change the subject, soft mate

The WAFL is the same as the SANFL and WC reserves side are shit like the Crows. Just a question dont Port and the Crows put money into the SANFL every year. Doesnt that go to the other clubs.

[hollywood7477]

Players get to compete against AFL calibre players, structures and fitness level
Sides aren't compromised by AFL players coming in and out, and being asked to be played in certain positions
No byes
$$$$$ direct to each club (from Crows)

On the flip side -

1/ Players also play against top ups that couldn't make it at league level but now get gifted a league game for little effort
2/ Agree that is a small positive, not sure it was a huge issue though
3/ Plenty of byes, look at last weekend and this weekend, if anything the season is now more disjointed
4/ $50k of income not huge when clubs are turning over $3m, would love to see a comparison on the drop off of income, esp gate takings/sponsorship

That's a huge one>

I have heard many players in particular at Centrals who are disillusioned with the league (a couple have now left) on the basis they were busting their arse playing reserves trying to get a SANFL league gig while others who couldn't cut the mustard are now being gifted SANFL games. One includes a Crows top up player because a player failed to show on game day and he happened to be a 'water boy' with the Crows who also played country football and was given a game.

The Crows had trials for top up players. Why didnt they go have a crack

[Dogwatcher]

The arguments are not strong in this one.

[Booney]

The arguments are not strong in this one.

His main point, "Don't whinge about your club going broke if you don't support them (financially/attendance) anymore" has substance.

[Dogwatcher]

I think his main point was we "should all get over it":

You would think all these people would have better things to do than go on about the Crows and Port having a reserves team in the SANFL. Its like a broken record. Maybe we should get them all a bridge building set for xmas so they can build one and the the **** over it.

If you were talking about MW, I'd agree. He at least puts a little thought into his points.

[hollywood7477]

I think his main point was we "should all get over it":

You would think all these people would have better things to do than go on about the Crows and Port having a reserves team in the SANFL. Its like a broken record. Maybe we should get them all a bridge building set for xmas so they can build one and the the **** over it.

If you were talking about MW, I'd agree. He at least puts a little thought into his points.

DW my point is this. There is over 400 pages of posts from fellow posters complaining about the fact the AFL clubs have a reserves side. There is also a stupid page on the real SANFL ladder. Surely there comes a time that you just accept it and actually move on. Sitting there complaining about the 2 clubs actually go out there and put some money in to ur beloved club. Go to the games that they arent playing against Port or the Crows. they say that the AFL clubs are killing the SANFL actually its the people who wont support their club becasue of the reasons iv stated is what is killing the SANFL. Sometimes you need to just suck it up and move on. At this point it isnt going to change unless the AFL have a reserves comp so instead of whinging on the SAFooty forum go out and watch the up and coming kids playing SANFL Im sure you would rather be out there watching footy then getting nagged by the missus

[Dogwatcher]

I do still go to SANFL games.
I do still have membership of my club, as do my wife and kids (my wife doesn't nag me as she's there at the footy with me).
I do still have an opinion on the situation.
I do still want what's best for my club.

I'm entitled to push for this. You call it whingeing. Others call it resistance.
Things can change. We were once told there would be no AFL reserves sides in the SANFL - it happened in a flash. Port Adelaide supporters boycotted Footy Park - they got a new stadium. Things change. The direction of the game changes. Voicing our opinions, in a place we all know is read by football officials, lets people know that:

A) We still care about our competition;
B) We have a hunger for change in this current state of affairs;
C) It reminds those complicit in what has occurred that we still remember their actions.

I'm not sure why you'd be surprised that people are passionate about this on a site devoted to SA Footy and on a thread devoted to this debate.

[Spargo]

I do still go to SANFL games.
I do still have membership of my club, as do my wife and kids (my wife doesn't nag me as she's there at the footy with me).
I do still have an opinion on the situation.
I do still want what's best for my club.

I'm entitled to push for this. You call it whingeing. Others call it resistance.
Things can change. We were once told there would be no AFL reserves sides in the SANFL - it happened in a flash. Port Adelaide supporters boycotted Footy Park - they got a new stadium. Things change. The direction of the game changes. Voicing our opinions, in a place we all know is read by football officials, lets people know that:

A) We still care about our competition;
B) We have a hunger for change in this current state of affairs;
C) It reminds those complicit in what has occurred that we still remember their actions.

I'm not sure why you'd be surprised that people are passionate about this on a site devoted to SA Footy and on a thread devoted to this debate.

Great post.

[MW]

If only more thought like you

[UK Fan]

The arguments are not strong in this one.

His main point, "Don't whinge about your club going broke if you don't support them (financially/attendance) anymore" has substance.

The point isn’t about our clubs going broke that hasn’t changed like it was suppose to. It’s about the integrity of comp.

North Adelaide have reported 11 profits in a row there fans are still pissed off about this.


We supporters still have memberships digital passes and support our clubs in other ways than just attending games.

[LMA]

Players get to compete against AFL calibre players, structures and fitness level
Sides aren't compromised by AFL players coming in and out, and being asked to be played in certain positions
No byes
$$$$$ direct to each club (from Crows)

On the flip side -

1/ Players also play against top ups that couldn't make it at league level but now get gifted a league game for little effort
2/ Agree that is a small positive, not sure it was a huge issue though
3/ Plenty of byes, look at last weekend and this weekend, if anything the season is now more disjointed
4/ $50k of income not huge when clubs are turning over $3m, would love to see a comparison on the drop off of income, esp gate takings/sponsorship

That's a huge one>

I have heard many players in particular at Centrals who are disillusioned with the league (a couple have now left) on the basis they were busting their arse playing reserves trying to get a SANFL league gig while others who couldn't cut the mustard are now being gifted SANFL games. One includes a Crows top up player because a player failed to show on game day and he happened to be a 'water boy' with the Crows who also played country football and was given a game.

That's what they tell you, what they mean is they are getting 5 times the dollars playing out bush for a third of the effort.

[therisingblues]

It's not my fight to have. I'm not the one upset about it guys.
I provided you with some positives but something tells me I could tell you anything and you will disagree or make it a negative.

Simple fact is support your club instead of throwing your toys out of the cot.

So why the hell do you come on here to stir the pot?
And why do you get so sulky when you get hammered on here?
Have you not realised that we care a lot about the shape of the SANFL, and this is what we are getting passionate about?
In your own words you don't give a damn, why are you poking fun at people who do?

[LMA]

What's the point of a forum if everyone has to post and agree in accordance with the subject title. Unfortunately this site has started banning posters for posting opposing but relevant points of view.

[therisingblues]

What's the point of a forum if everyone has to post and agree in accordance with the subject title. Unfortunately this site has started banning posters for posting opposing but relevant points of view.

You should start the "Why were the posters banned?" thread.
Not sure why you are bringing it up here.

[LMA]

What's the point of a forum if everyone has to post and agree in accordance with the subject title. Unfortunately this site has started banning posters for posting opposing but relevant points of view.

You should start the "Why were the posters banned?" thread.
Not sure why you are bringing it up here.

You asked why a certain poster comes in here. Pointing out the fact you don't need to agree to post in a thread

[mighty hounds]

What's the point of a forum if everyone has to post and agree in accordance with the subject title. Unfortunately this site has started banning posters for posting opposing but relevant points of view.

You should start the "Why were the posters banned?" thread.
Not sure why you are bringing it up here.

You asked why a certain poster comes in here. Pointing out the fact you don't need to agree to post in a thread

Don't you know what the number one rule of SAfooty is yet LMA? You must agree with my post or you are wrong

[MW]

It's not my fight to have. I'm not the one upset about it guys.
I provided you with some positives but something tells me I could tell you anything and you will disagree or make it a negative.

Simple fact is support your club instead of throwing your toys out of the cot.

So why the hell do you come on here to stir the pot?
And why do you get so sulky when you get hammered on here?
Have you not realised that we care a lot about the shape of the SANFL, and this is what we are getting passionate about?
In your own words you don't give a damn, why are you poking fun at people who do?

I don't come here to stir the pot...well not all the time I am offering an opinion on the situation. sometimes you lot are histerical and cannot see the forest through the trees.
Not sure I am sulky I'm enjoying the discussion. My comment stands...it is not my fight to have cause I am happy with where it is at.
Yes of course I can see you are all passionate about the SANFL, but what is clear to me is your methods of fighting the AFL out of the SANFL is actually (only IMO) killing the SANFL itself.
I don't believe I ever said "I don't give a damn". Happy for you to dig up a post and quote it if you like. I'm not poking fun mate, offering another opinion on it.

[amber_fluid]

What's the point of a forum if everyone has to post and agree in accordance with the subject title. Unfortunately this site has started banning posters for posting opposing but relevant points of view.

You should start the "Why were the posters banned?" thread.
Not sure why you are bringing it up here.

You asked why a certain poster comes in here. Pointing out the fact you don't need to agree to post in a thread

Don't you know what the number one rule of SAfooty is yet LMA? You must agree with my post or you are wrong

Is that you Morrell?
You back?