by SimonH » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:31 pm
by Wedgie » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:00 pm
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by saintal » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:11 am
by PatowalongaPirate » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:24 am
by scott » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:55 pm
PatowalongaPirate wrote:I think the last kick/handball out of bounds rule has inadvertently been responsible for less goals the last few years. From what I have seen the majority of these infringements are paid in the forward line of the offending team. What would usually be a boundary throw in deep in attack and a chance to set up for a score, is now a ball rebounded out of the attacking 50.
by scott » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:27 pm
Round 10 2016 @ Alberton Oval
Port Adelaide 1.3 8.5 12.6 17.8 (108)
Glenelg 5.2 6.6 13.10 19.13 (127)
by PatowalongaPirate » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:29 pm
scott wrote:More, because I'm on a roll.
Since Round 17 2014, there's been just ONE match at SANFL League level where both teams scored 100+ points each. That's just 1 out of the last 373 League matches.
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Round 10 2016 @ Alberton Oval
Port Adelaide 1.3 8.5 12.6 17.8 (108)
Glenelg 5.2 6.6 13.10 19.13 (127)
This deliberate out of bounds rule and limited interchanges were introduced from 2016 onwards as the supposed saving grace for improved scoring but aside from scoring slightly increasing in the first year, it just hasn't done anything. Throw-in stoppages are obviously down (it's only referred to as "stoppages being down" in mainstream media to give the impression that ball-up stoppages have reduced as a result of these changes).
Points Per Game
2018 - 157
2017 - 157
2016 - 164 (rule changes introduced)
2015 - 151 (several rounds affected by heavy rain)
2014 - 161
So scoring has actually trended down every year since the rule was introduced after briefly cresting and is still down on 2014 and earlier. Scoring this year was tracking under 157 until two teams combined for 23 goals in the fourth quarter aided by hurricane-force winds. Huge wind machines will be introduced next as it clearly worked in two games this round.
by JK » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:08 pm
PatowalongaPirate wrote:I think the last kick/handball out of bounds rule has inadvertently been responsible for less goals the last few years. From what I have seen the majority of these infringements are paid in the forward line of the offending team. What would usually be a boundary throw in deep in attack and a chance to set up for a score, is now a ball rebounded out of the attacking 50.
I could be wrong but it seems like not as many goals are scored in recent times.
by Wedgie » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:17 pm
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by PatowalongaPirate » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:11 pm
JK wrote:PatowalongaPirate wrote:I think the last kick/handball out of bounds rule has inadvertently been responsible for less goals the last few years. From what I have seen the majority of these infringements are paid in the forward line of the offending team. What would usually be a boundary throw in deep in attack and a chance to set up for a score, is now a ball rebounded out of the attacking 50.
I could be wrong but it seems like not as many goals are scored in recent times.
The flipside to that though, given so much attacking foray is setup by transition from defence, should mean more score the other way shouldn't it?
by JK » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:16 pm
PatowalongaPirate wrote:JK wrote:PatowalongaPirate wrote:I think the last kick/handball out of bounds rule has inadvertently been responsible for less goals the last few years. From what I have seen the majority of these infringements are paid in the forward line of the offending team. What would usually be a boundary throw in deep in attack and a chance to set up for a score, is now a ball rebounded out of the attacking 50.
I could be wrong but it seems like not as many goals are scored in recent times.
The flipside to that though, given so much attacking foray is setup by transition from defence, should mean more score the other way shouldn't it?
It should.......but reading through what Scott posted above makes me think otherwise.
by RB » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:01 pm
scott wrote:What would improve scoring is having the clock only running when play is actually happening. Stopping the clock for ball-ups and other bits of play where the ball isn't in play.
by saintal » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:49 am
by scott » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:16 pm
saintal wrote:Scott, do you have data on the average number of tackles per game in recent seasons?
Have noticed a few South games recently having tackle counts that resembled AFL totals (ie 180-200).
Doesn't add to the spectacle/scoring.
by scott » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:26 pm
RB wrote:scott wrote:What would improve scoring is having the clock only running when play is actually happening. Stopping the clock for ball-ups and other bits of play where the ball isn't in play.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the AFL introduce this 20+ years ago? Around the time quarter length reduced from 25 to 20 minutes?
Usually the SANFL follows the AFL on rule changes straight away. Interesting that this hasn't happened.
by RB » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:45 pm
scott wrote:
(2) If timekeepers are compenent enough to timekeep a match
by heater31 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:51 pm
by DOC » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:52 pm
SimonH wrote:So, who do people like for it?
On the plus side, you can say it is sure competitive, where anyone in the top dozen or so could get a bag in 1 or 2 games and win it. Punter's nightmare.
On the minus, it's pretty safely shaping up to be the lowest winning total since it was called the Ken Farmer Medal in 1981, dipping under Clint Alleway's record low 47 in 2015—and will probably be the lowest leading goalscorer in the SANFL minor round since 1921 (when the winner managed 42 majors).
As you'd expect from a low total, there are by my count at least 5 non-KPFs in the top 10, and a medium/small forward like Mark Evans or Terry Milera could well win it. We already knew that the age of Tim Evans, Scott Hodges, Tractor Prime, Adam Richardson stay-at-home FFs whose only job in the team was to kick goals, is over. Brant Chambers was probably the last of them. But is the age of individual high goalscoring over for good, too? Or will the wheel turn again?
by scott » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:59 pm
RB wrote:scott wrote:
(2) If timekeepers are compenent enough to timekeep a match
Which you'd imagine league level timekeepers would be. I mean the AFL timekeepers have no trouble with 90,000+ crowds.
Thanks Scott, very interesting.
by spell_check » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:12 pm
scott wrote:[
The SANFL introduced stopping the clock for ball ups the same year as the AFL and scoring went up crazy as a result. A combination of (1) games finishing late and (2) timekeepers apparently not being able to identify when the umpire has blown their whistle to indicate a ball up was the reasons given to scrap it for 2007 onwards. This was when matches were commencing at 2:20pm and with average 30-minute quarters (up from 26-27), games were finishing around 5:00pm-5:10pm as they were lasting about 15-20 minutes longer. Literally almost an entire quarter of scoring potential.
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