by MW » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:52 pm
by cracka » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:25 pm
northerner wrote:robranisgod wrote:Remember the mid season draft of about 25 years ago. In 1994 Central lost Tony Lynn mid season to Carlton. Given that Central finished third it may have cost Central a Grand Final berth.
On the other hand Rod Saunders and Peter Bennett from North were drafted by Essendon and Brisbane respectively in the 1991 mid season draft. They didn't go and played in North's 1991 premiership. Other SANFL players stayed at that time too. I doubt that anyone would stay in the SANFL now.
Man, you did well to recall that time... I was discussing this with a fellow Doggie supporter this morning. The addendum to that is what would Lynn say about this NOW in retrospect? He was a gun in a good comp with a good team. He went to Carlton and played a handful of games over 15 months and then drifted away from top tier footy altogether.
Now, a player who gets selected in this draft is unlikely to play AFL in the remainder of the season and faces the real possibility of being delisted just three months later. In the interim he has likely uprooted from his home and quit his job.... all for naught. And he really doesn't get a say because he knows if he doesn't accept he blackbans himself.
This idea has little thought to the second tier compass AND the individual player.
by whufc » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:51 pm
by Jim05 » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:12 pm
whufc wrote:Surely if the Crows took a player from Norwood that player would continue to play for Norwood unless picked by the Crows AFL team.
by daysofourlives » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:46 pm
by StrayDog » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:56 am
DOC wrote:StrayDog wrote:I mentioned before importance of communication. The Tweet quoted below leaves me feeling a tad uneasy, seems that not everyone is listening:-Jim05 wrote:https://twitter.com/integrityunit/status/1047762715731607553?s=21
That is not a real tweet from the AFL.
by StrayDog » Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:00 am
Booney wrote:StrayDog wrote:Booney wrote:Whilst not exactly the same there are SAAFL clubs who feed players to SANFL clubs and they've dealt with it for years.
Devils advocate here, I don't like the prospect of SANFL players leaving mid-year but clubs below the SANFL have dealt with it for years.
I think Jason Sutherland might have been a case in point going back a few years, seem to remember he was contracted with Berri and debuted for us late in the season ended with an SANFL Premiership medallion.
NB: I can't remember sure how much it affected his country club at the time, so happy for fellow 'Dogs fans to rip me a new one on this point regarding its relevance.
A generation ago and a different era I realise, but I can recall the gut-wrenching frustration and anger at losing Tony Lynn to Carlton mid season that year.
This, did anyone at the time cry bloody murder on behalf of Berri? I would doubt it, they would have been thrilled for the bloke to get an opportunity at a higher level.
by therisingblues » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:37 am
Dogs64 wrote:Booney wrote:StrayDog wrote:Booney wrote:Whilst not exactly the same there are SAAFL clubs who feed players to SANFL clubs and they've dealt with it for years.
Devils advocate here, I don't like the prospect of SANFL players leaving mid-year but clubs below the SANFL have dealt with it for years.
I think Jason Sutherland might have been a case in point going back a few years, seem to remember he was contracted with Berri and debuted for us late in the season ended with an SANFL Premiership medallion.
NB: I can't remember sure how much it affected his country club at the time, so happy for fellow 'Dogs fans to rip me a new one on this point regarding its relevance.
A generation ago and a different era I realise, but I can recall the gut-wrenching frustration and anger at losing Tony Lynn to Carlton mid season one year.
This, did anyone at the time cry bloody murder on behalf of Berri? I would doubt it, they would have been thrilled for the bloke to get an opportunity at a higher level.
As mentioned, he also played in a premiership for Berri that year, the two clubs worked together.
by Aerie » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:34 am
therisingblues wrote:Not to mention the fact that there was never any danger of Jason Sutherland being forced to play AGAINST Berri, while he was waiting for a Central call up.
This one fact is what makes the situation untenable, and stems from there being two reserves sides from another league using the SANFL as a play pen.
by heater31 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:49 am
by therisingblues » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:43 pm
heater31 wrote:Surely any player that nominates for this draft would want a guarantee of 1 full season in the system (18 month contract) as compensation for chucking a day job and moving interstate, otherwise it's a huge risk to the player.
by gadj1976 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:05 pm
therisingblues wrote:heater31 wrote:Surely any player that nominates for this draft would want a guarantee of 1 full season in the system (18 month contract) as compensation for chucking a day job and moving interstate, otherwise it's a huge risk to the player.
Either way it will be a risk. A case of damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
Decide not to go, and the club chooses another, similar type player, who succeeds in the role being offered.
You might not get another chance...
I can see people will roll out the line: "Well, if the players don't like it, they wouldn't nominate for it!"
I think players WILL nominate for it, rather than see their spot go to someone else through this new, mid-season door.
It is going to be a dirty rule, and it is going to disadvantage a lot of people.
But, I am sure that the AFL has looked at the bottom line, and judged that it will potentially add interest, mid-season, which will mean dollars. Which for them, means they should have done it years ago! What the hell are we all waiting for?
by daysofourlives » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:54 pm
by Jimmy » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:03 pm
Booney wrote:Whilst not exactly the same there are SAAFL clubs who feed players to SANFL clubs and they've dealt with it for years.
Devils advocate here, I don't like the prospect of SANFL players leaving mid-year but clubs below the SANFL have dealt with it for years.
by Booney » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:44 pm
Jimmy wrote:Booney wrote:Whilst not exactly the same there are SAAFL clubs who feed players to SANFL clubs and they've dealt with it for years.
Devils advocate here, I don't like the prospect of SANFL players leaving mid-year but clubs below the SANFL have dealt with it for years.
not really the same though. It's always been the situation that saafl was always a stepping stone to the 'elite' state comp, the SANFL. SANFL is the top of the tree in SA footy and at one time SANFL and VFL were on the same footing before the VFL saw the $$$ with a national comp which has now forced the SANFL to change to a feeder league which it always never was unlike the ammos. Just my 2 cents though.
An AFL mid-season draft is just taking the piss.
by gadj1976 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:13 pm
Booney wrote:Jimmy wrote:Booney wrote:Whilst not exactly the same there are SAAFL clubs who feed players to SANFL clubs and they've dealt with it for years.
Devils advocate here, I don't like the prospect of SANFL players leaving mid-year but clubs below the SANFL have dealt with it for years.
not really the same though. It's always been the situation that saafl was always a stepping stone to the 'elite' state comp, the SANFL. SANFL is the top of the tree in SA footy and at one time SANFL and VFL were on the same footing before the VFL saw the $$$ with a national comp which has now forced the SANFL to change to a feeder league which it always never was unlike the ammos. Just my 2 cents though.
An AFL mid-season draft is just taking the piss.
The SANFL, it could be argued, has been a stepping stone to the AFL for nearly 30 years.
by Dutchy » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:44 am
by whufc » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:20 pm
Dutchy wrote:If this proceeds then AFL clubs should be forced to sign the draftee's for a min of 18 months (i.e. the year after they get drafted) so they are not just thrown on the scrap heap after a few months.
by Hazydog » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:33 pm
Booney wrote:Whilst not exactly the same there are SAAFL clubs who feed players to SANFL clubs and they've dealt with it for years.
Devils advocate here, I don't like the prospect of SANFL players leaving mid-year but clubs below the SANFL have dealt with it for years.
by Dutchy » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:29 am
Booney wrote:Whilst not exactly the same there are SAAFL clubs who feed players to SANFL clubs and they've dealt with it for years.
Devils advocate here, I don't like the prospect of SANFL players leaving mid-year but clubs below the SANFL have dealt with it for years.
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