wild dog wrote:As a proud northern suburbs lad myself....... Glenunga. There I said it.
Did you play at the Panthers?
by Lightning McQueen » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:58 pm
wild dog wrote:As a proud northern suburbs lad myself....... Glenunga. There I said it.
by whufc » Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:15 pm
by gadj1976 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:33 pm
Tony Clifton wrote:Where is the push for altering rules and modifying competitions coming from?
Is it because player numbers are decreasing? Is retention getting more difficult? Coach/parent behaviour driving people away.
Or do governing bodies legitimately think this is the best format for kids to play? No finals, no score, no tackling
by wild dog » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:11 pm
Lightning McQueen wrote:wild dog wrote:As a proud northern suburbs lad myself....... Glenunga. There I said it.
Did you play at the Panthers?
by Q. » Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:46 pm
Pag wrote:This. Society as a whole cuddles our kids so much that any sign of possibly hurting their feelings ('losing' in this case), and we change the rules to suit. Kids are resilient creatures when they are given opportunities to fail. Unfortunately society keeps taking these opportunities away by the 'everyone wins' approach, eventually making adults who can't deal with any small sign of adversity or difficulty in their lives.
This isn't just in footy or sport by the way, all aspects of society.
by Q. » Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:57 pm
by wild dog » Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:34 pm
Q. wrote:There is literally over three decades of peer-reviewed research that demonstrates when coaches that emphasize skill development and mastery, youth are more likely to show positive outcomes whereas coaching behaviours that emphasize winning and comparisons with others are associated with negative outcomes including anxiety and stress, conflict with peers, less sportsman-like behaviour, and negative developmental outcomes.
by Q. » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:02 pm
wild dog wrote:When they grapple with a skill and overcome their deficiency, the enthusiasm is much greater than winning a game.
by Jetters » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:46 pm
Q. wrote:wild dog wrote:When they grapple with a skill and overcome their deficiency, the enthusiasm is much greater than winning a game.
Bang on. Extrinsic rewards and “winning” mean far less to them than to adults.
The article “Fun Integration Theory: Towards Sustaining Children and Adolescents Sport Participation,” in the Journal of Physical Activity & Health, 2014, had 'winning' ranked at #48 in a child's definition of 'fun' in sports.
by Jetters » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:56 pm
gadj1976 wrote:Tony Clifton wrote:Where is the push for altering rules and modifying competitions coming from?
Is it because player numbers are decreasing? Is retention getting more difficult? Coach/parent behaviour driving people away.
Or do governing bodies legitimately think this is the best format for kids to play? No finals, no score, no tackling
SANFL/AFL
Yes. Yes. Not necessarily. Basketball is a big factor at our club. Comps are during the week, so kids don't train. They also get more exposure to the ball at basketball so they're less inclined to play footy - and then there are injuries and the body contact nature of the sport.
Governing bodies do, parents not necessarily.
by Tony Clifton » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:13 pm
by LaughingKookaburra » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:44 pm
by Pag » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:27 pm
LaughingKookaburra wrote:Playing Primary School footy we didn’t play for premiership points and it never bothered me personally for the very large majority. Realistically it wasn’t until I reached year 6,7 where results began to really mean anything. The reason for that is that you are then starting to be identified through SANFL clubs and SAPSASA. Don’t see an issue with all this personally as long as you keep score. No need to have ladders ect in my own opinion.
by beef » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:30 pm
Pag wrote:LaughingKookaburra wrote:Playing Primary School footy we didn’t play for premiership points and it never bothered me personally for the very large majority. Realistically it wasn’t until I reached year 6,7 where results began to really mean anything. The reason for that is that you are then starting to be identified through SANFL clubs and SAPSASA. Don’t see an issue with all this personally as long as you keep score. No need to have ladders ect in my own opinion.
I rememebr doing the same. Saturday school footy was just a warm-up for the club game on Sunday.
FWIW, I've coached at SAPSASA District Level for the past two years and scores and ladders are very much kept, including trophies and medaillions for the winenrs of each division. Even has promotion/relegation.
by Pag » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:37 pm
beef wrote:Pag wrote:LaughingKookaburra wrote:Playing Primary School footy we didn’t play for premiership points and it never bothered me personally for the very large majority. Realistically it wasn’t until I reached year 6,7 where results began to really mean anything. The reason for that is that you are then starting to be identified through SANFL clubs and SAPSASA. Don’t see an issue with all this personally as long as you keep score. No need to have ladders ect in my own opinion.
I rememebr doing the same. Saturday school footy was just a warm-up for the club game on Sunday.
FWIW, I've coached at SAPSASA District Level for the past two years and scores and ladders are very much kept, including trophies and medaillions for the winners of each division. Even has promotion/relegation.
Assume relegation in your case
by Tony Clifton » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:41 pm
The football coach of an under-10s side has been fired after he insisted he was not there so the boys could have fun – he was "only interested in winning".
Justin Byrne, who coached a local village boys' team in Buckinghamshire, said parents who complained when their child did not make the first team were "not doing their sons any favours".
Any parents who disagreed were "weak-minded" and "think sport is about knitting".
Mr Byrne, 42, outlined his views in an email to parents at Chalfont St Peter's Football Club in Buckinghamshire – and four days later was fired.
In his email, the coach, who had managed the under 10s for more than two years, told parents: ‘I am only interested in winning. I don’t care about equal play time or any other communist view of sport.
"Those that are not as good need to work harder or demonstrate more during training, or change sports."
Mr Byrne, a father-of-three who runs a recruitment firm in London, added:"You are not doing your son any favours by suggesting the world is fair or non-competitive.
"Everything they are likely to do in life will be competitive so my view is get them used to it."
The coach is now considering taking legal action against the club and says he was not given the opportunity to defend himself before he was given the sack.
He told the Daily Mail: "I call a spade a spade and everyone knows I don’t like to dress things up.
"That’s just me. The fact is that we have got a weaker-minded group of individuals who think sport is about knitting."
A spokesman for the village team confirmed Mr Byrne had been sacked following complaints from parents about the email.
He said the aim of the club was just "to get as many children playing football as possible".
by LaughingKookaburra » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:48 pm
Pag wrote:LaughingKookaburra wrote:Playing Primary School footy we didn’t play for premiership points and it never bothered me personally for the very large majority. Realistically it wasn’t until I reached year 6,7 where results began to really mean anything. The reason for that is that you are then starting to be identified through SANFL clubs and SAPSASA. Don’t see an issue with all this personally as long as you keep score. No need to have ladders ect in my own opinion.
I rememebr doing the same. Saturday school footy was just a warm-up for the club game on Sunday.
FWIW, I've coached at SAPSASA District Level for the past two years and scores and ladders are very much kept, including trophies and medaillions for the winenrs of each division. Even has promotion/relegation.
by Lightning McQueen » Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:23 pm
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
Kind of backs up the point I was trying to make. Back in the early/mid 90’s the SFL didn’t have juniors below under 14’s. Primary School footy was all we had and local clubs would work with Primary Schools in their zones once players hit grade 6/7. It was all about development and enjoying the game at PS level rather than worrying about premierships. Back then also the SFL was arguably the best Junior comp in SA 14’s-18’s and South Adelaide were always in the top end come seasons end. I don’t think there is any harm in not playing for premierships until 12-13 years of age myself. I do however think it’s important to keep scores though.
by Pag » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:02 pm
Lightning McQueen wrote:LaughingKookaburra wrote:
Kind of backs up the point I was trying to make. Back in the early/mid 90’s the SFL didn’t have juniors below under 14’s. Primary School footy was all we had and local clubs would work with Primary Schools in their zones once players hit grade 6/7. It was all about development and enjoying the game at PS level rather than worrying about premierships. Back then also the SFL was arguably the best Junior comp in SA 14’s-18’s and South Adelaide were always in the top end come seasons end. I don’t think there is any harm in not playing for premierships until 12-13 years of age myself. I do however think it’s important to keep scores though.
I dominated primary school footy, Grade 6 was the best four years of my life.
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:04 am
Pag wrote:I can only imagine you tearing Ridley Reserve to shreds every Saturday morning. That is, if it was around when you were a kid.
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