2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

First Class Cricket Talk (International and State)

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby Armchair expert » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:55 pm

whufc wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
whufc wrote:Surely Labuschagne can’t play

Why do selectors all of a sudden think blokes will perform better at test level than they have at shield cricket.


Because 30 years ago a few selectors plucked Ian Healy, Steve Waugh and Mark Taylor from nowhere and they had a bit of success. It hasnt happened since but it doesnt stop the selectors from trying to be nostra fn dameous. In 100 years of cricket I dont think there has been too many to average more in Test cricket than Shiled cricket yet these muppets think they will buck that trend


Crash Craddock reckons less than 3% of cricketers average more at test level than they did at shield level.



Not surprising, I think at international level a bat will average around 80-85% of their first class average.
User avatar
Armchair expert
League - Best 21
 
 
Posts: 1653
Joined: Tue May 15, 2018 9:18 am
Has liked: 111 times
Been liked: 199 times
Grassroots Team: Solomontown

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby bulldogs » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:57 pm

Can not believe ML is in the squad for SCG. Guy is not up to it.
What batsman currently playing shield cricket averages over 40 in his career, if there is one get them in the team. Least when WSC was on and our 2X1 was playing we unearthed a border/ Hughes/ Hogg .
Warner/ Smith u guys have even more to answer
bulldogs
League Bench Warmer
 
Posts: 1496
Joined: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:37 pm
Has liked: 1 time
Been liked: 13 times

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby RB » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:59 pm

bulldogs wrote:What batsman currently playing shield cricket averages over 40 in his career

Pretty sure Kurt Patterson fits this description.
R.I.P. the SANFL 1877 - 2013
User avatar
RB
League - Top 5
 
Posts: 3275
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:45 pm
Has liked: 284 times
Been liked: 427 times

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby The Dark Knight » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:34 pm

RB wrote:
bulldogs wrote:What batsman currently playing shield cricket averages over 40 in his career

Pretty sure Kurt Patterson fits this description.
Patterson averages 41.00 according to Cricinfo
User avatar
The Dark Knight
Coach
 
Posts: 27151
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:32 pm
Location: Gotham City
Has liked: 5926 times
Been liked: 864 times
Grassroots Team: North Haven

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby bulldogs » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:35 pm

Get him n.
bulldogs
League Bench Warmer
 
Posts: 1496
Joined: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:37 pm
Has liked: 1 time
Been liked: 13 times

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby robranisgod » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:45 pm

RB wrote:
bulldogs wrote:What batsman currently playing shield cricket averages over 40 in his career

Pretty sure Kurt Patterson fits this description.


Others averaging over 40 at first class level are :
Chris Lynn averages 43.3
Glenn Maxwell 41.1
Joe Burns 40.6


Callum Ferguson and George Bailey have both dropped below 40 now after spending most of their career above that figure and surprisingly to me Jake Lehmann averages 38.6

Unfortunately for the above named batsmen none of them come from W.A.
Last edited by robranisgod on Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
robranisgod
League - Best 21
 
 
Posts: 1627
Joined: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:36 pm
Has liked: 54 times
Been liked: 100 times
Grassroots Team: Flinders University

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby robranisgod » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:02 pm

Also I know that K O'Keefe and M Waugh have been critical of the standard of Indian First Class Cricket, but Agarwal has come into test cricket with an average of 49.9 after 47 first class cricket matches. He looked every inch a test cricket especially given the standard of attack Agarwal was facing. Who was the last Australian test debutant to look that good on debut.
robranisgod
League - Best 21
 
 
Posts: 1627
Joined: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:36 pm
Has liked: 54 times
Been liked: 100 times
Grassroots Team: Flinders University

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby stan » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:29 am

robranisgod wrote:Also I know that K O'Keefe and M Waugh have been critical of the standard of Indian First Class Cricket, but Agarwal has come into test cricket with an average of 49.9 after 47 first class cricket matches. He looked every inch a test cricket especially given the standard of attack Agarwal was facing. Who was the last Australian test debutant to look that good on debut.
Both are idiots. The Ranji Trophy runs through there domestic season with the IPL played at the end. In fact it's setup the way our domestic comp used to be.
Read my reply. It is directed at you because you have double standards
User avatar
stan
Coach
 
 
Posts: 11792
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:53 am
Location: North Eastern Suburbs
Has liked: 79 times
Been liked: 780 times
Grassroots Team: Goodwood Saints

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby mal » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:06 am

Forgotten player ...

2010
SA V NSW
Debut match for NSW
110 +1*

2018
VI V WA
Debut match for VI
162 + 10 Retired Hurt

Nic Maddinson has made tons on debut for 2 SS teams
Both times as an opener

Will the Test selectors have Nic in mind again ?
Nic was dropped from the test team after his highest test score of 22 !
His test average is 6.75

Please note
Im not advocating Nic for re- selection , only that he might be considered for an Ashes tour by the selectors
Players who cash in and make BIG SS hundreds should always be on the radar for test selection
mal
Coach
 
Posts: 22563
Joined: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:45 pm
Has liked: 397 times
Been liked: 297 times

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby RB » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:08 am

If his form merits it, then maybe, but he sucked at test level. I still have no idea how he was picked ahead of Patterson.

Maddinson is still behind most of the guys we mentioned above.
R.I.P. the SANFL 1877 - 2013
User avatar
RB
League - Top 5
 
Posts: 3275
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:45 pm
Has liked: 284 times
Been liked: 427 times

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby amber_fluid » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:10 am

robranisgod wrote:
RB wrote:
bulldogs wrote:What batsman currently playing shield cricket averages over 40 in his career

Pretty sure Kurt Patterson fits this description.


Others averaging over 40 at first class level are :
Chris Lynn averages 43.3
Glenn Maxwell 41.1
Joe Burns 40.6


Callum Ferguson and George Bailey have both dropped below 40 now after spending most of their career above that figure and surprisingly to me Jake Lehmann averages 38.6

Unfortunately for the above named batsmen none of them come from W.A.


Surprised with Lynn’s average.
Why has his name not been mentioned before for Test selection?
Not sure he has made many hundreds though at shield level has he?
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
User avatar
amber_fluid
Coach
 
 
Posts: 6869
Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 10:18 am
Has liked: 1264 times
Been liked: 1287 times

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby RB » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:19 am

I think Lynn has made big scores at Shield level, just not for a while. Not sure he's played many Shield matches over the last 3+ years.
R.I.P. the SANFL 1877 - 2013
User avatar
RB
League - Top 5
 
Posts: 3275
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:45 pm
Has liked: 284 times
Been liked: 427 times

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby The Dark Knight » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:20 am

amber_fluid wrote:
robranisgod wrote:
RB wrote:
bulldogs wrote:What batsman currently playing shield cricket averages over 40 in his career

Pretty sure Kurt Patterson fits this description.


Others averaging over 40 at first class level are :
Chris Lynn averages 43.3
Glenn Maxwell 41.1
Joe Burns 40.6


Callum Ferguson and George Bailey have both dropped below 40 now after spending most of their career above that figure and surprisingly to me Jake Lehmann averages 38.6

Unfortunately for the above named batsmen none of them come from W.A.


Surprised with Lynn’s average.
Why has his name not been mentioned before for Test selection?
Not sure he has made many hundreds though at shield level has he?

Has never been considered due to injuries, hardly played FC cricket after surgery on 2014.

He has made six first class centuries, making his first in his second SS match
User avatar
The Dark Knight
Coach
 
Posts: 27151
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:32 pm
Location: Gotham City
Has liked: 5926 times
Been liked: 864 times
Grassroots Team: North Haven

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby mal » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:22 am

Right NOW at this point of time
Apart for Usman Khawaja , there are seemingly NO other test batsman or SS batsman that are shoe in selections at test level
Marcus Harris deserves more matches , and might become a good batsman

Heres a 2020 vision[Booney sorry I used that year]
This could be the line up based on current ability, availability and perception

WARNER
KHAWAJA
EDWARDS
SMITH
SANGHA
PUCOVSKI
mal
Coach
 
Posts: 22563
Joined: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:45 pm
Has liked: 397 times
Been liked: 297 times

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby heater31 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:26 am

amber_fluid wrote:
robranisgod wrote:
RB wrote:
bulldogs wrote:What batsman currently playing shield cricket averages over 40 in his career

Pretty sure Kurt Patterson fits this description.


Others averaging over 40 at first class level are :
Chris Lynn averages 43.3
Glenn Maxwell 41.1
Joe Burns 40.6


Callum Ferguson and George Bailey have both dropped below 40 now after spending most of their career above that figure and surprisingly to me Jake Lehmann averages 38.6

Unfortunately for the above named batsmen none of them come from W.A.


Surprised with Lynn’s average.
Why has his name not been mentioned before for Test selection?
Not sure he has made many hundreds though at shield level has he?
Chris Lynn has 6 First Class hundreds. Travis Head has 7.
User avatar
heater31
Moderator
 
 
Posts: 15356
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:42 am
Location: the back blocks
Has liked: 451 times
Been liked: 1072 times

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby The Dark Knight » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:27 am

RB wrote:If his form merits it, then maybe, but he sucked at test level. I still have no idea how he was picked ahead of Patterson.

Maddinson is still behind most of the guys we mentioned above.

Because like the Marsh brothers the selectors have a love affair with him. Always got an opportunity to play for Australia A ahead of other guys more deserving, it's still an absolute farce he got selected ahead of Kurtis Patterson for the series against South Africa in 2016.

Even for T20 his record ain't that flash wirh an average of 23.69 with no centuries
User avatar
The Dark Knight
Coach
 
Posts: 27151
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:32 pm
Location: Gotham City
Has liked: 5926 times
Been liked: 864 times
Grassroots Team: North Haven

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby mal » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:32 am

mal wrote:Right NOW at this point of time
Apart for Usman Khawaja , there are seemingly NO other test batsman or SS batsman that are shoe in selections at test level
Marcus Harris deserves more matches , and might become a good batsman

Heres a 2020 vision[Booney sorry I used that year]
This could be the line up based on current ability, availability and perception

WARNER
KHAWAJA
EDWARDS
SMITH
SANGHA
PUCOVSKI


My apologies to Travis Head
Like Marcus Harris he deserves more opportunities at Test level
mal
Coach
 
Posts: 22563
Joined: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:45 pm
Has liked: 397 times
Been liked: 297 times

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby Armchair expert » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:48 am

Bring back Rob Quiney
User avatar
Armchair expert
League - Best 21
 
 
Posts: 1653
Joined: Tue May 15, 2018 9:18 am
Has liked: 111 times
Been liked: 199 times
Grassroots Team: Solomontown

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby The Dark Knight » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:51 am

Got a little chuckle out of this lolImage
User avatar
The Dark Knight
Coach
 
Posts: 27151
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:32 pm
Location: Gotham City
Has liked: 5926 times
Been liked: 864 times
Grassroots Team: North Haven

Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby Spargo » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:18 pm

stan wrote:
robranisgod wrote:Also I know that K O'Keefe and M Waugh have been critical of the standard of Indian First Class Cricket, but Agarwal has come into test cricket with an average of 49.9 after 47 first class cricket matches. He looked every inch a test cricket especially given the standard of attack Agarwal was facing. Who was the last Australian test debutant to look that good on debut.
Both are idiots. The Ranji Trophy runs through there domestic season with the IPL played at the end. In fact it's setup the way our domestic comp used to be.


O’Keeffe’s no idiot. He might have a quirky sense of humour & different laugh but anyone that has listened to him enough talk cricket, knows he’s very well read on the game.
2017 safooty NFL tipping champ.
Spargo
Coach
 
 
Posts: 10186
Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:42 pm
Location: Landing a big fish.
Has liked: 2546 times
Been liked: 2908 times
Grassroots Team: Sacred Heart OC

PreviousNext

Board index   Other Sports  Cricket

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest