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Re: Essendon

Postby Booney » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:42 am

The substance that convicted 34 Essendon players in one the AFL's biggest doping scandal was reportedly only listed as a banned substance the day before the club 'self reported' its supplements program.

The Essendon players were suspended for being injected with Thymosin Beta-4, which was on the world agency's ban list at the time.

But it wasn't added to the Australian agency's 'check your substances' website until 2013, according to a Herald Sun report.

That was long after the injections stopped and just one day before Essendon reported itself to the AFL.

Scientist Bob O’Dea told the Herald Sun: “The evidence of a stitch-up is compelling”.

ASADA responded to the reports, saying it does not matter that the substance was not on that particular website, it was still banned by the world agency.

7NEWS reporter Georgia Comensoli told The Latest that the report raises a number of questions regarding the doping scandal.

"At the time 34 players were suspended in the season of 2016, each and every one of them could sue for a loss of income, for reputational damages, and other damages that have come from (the scandal),” Comensoli said.

“Jobe Watson in 2012 was awarded the Brownlow Medal, one of the most coveted medals in the AFL season. He was stripped of that medal because of this saga, he gave it back, does this mean that Jobe is able to ask for that medal back?

“Also, that medal was then awarded to the two joint runners-up, Trent Cotchin and Sam Mitchell, does this mean that they’re now stripped of that medal, there are so many questions that have come from this report.”

7NEWS AFL reporter Tom Browne joined Sunrise on Wednesday morning to discuss the latest developments, declaring Essendon players and officials should have known to check the WADA site before taking any substances.

“I’m not overly surprised by this article, the simple truth is that this substance, Thymosin Beta-4, the Court of Arbitration for Sport was comfortably satisfied the 34 players took it and that was banned by WADA in 2010,” Browne said.

“The issue still clearly is whether the website matters what ASADA is saying in an advisory capacity, when indeed it’s a banned substance.

“I don’t think Essendon’s still aggrieved by this, they’ve moved on, as have the AFL, I think this is a highly technical and isolated argument.”

Sunrise co-host David Koch hit back, arguing it’s a stupid argument from ASADA to expect young players not to trust the list of banned substances published on the Australian website.

“So ASADA is saying it still stands because you shouldn’t have been checking our website, you should be checking the global one.

“That seems a stupid argument to me to expect young players to actually check an international site rather than to be able to depend on their own ASADA site here in Australia, that showed that it wasn’t banned when they were given the injections.”

However Browne insisted that AFL players are taught that they should be checking the WADA site for such matters, not necessarily the ASADA one.

“It’s clearly the onus of the club, the officials and the players to also check the WADA website, they’re taught that. It’s also the obligation of the club to know what they were taking and Essendon to this day suggests they don’t have records in regards to what they took.”

Former head of ASADA Richard Ings hit back at the Herald Sun report, declaring the Australian doping agency's actions had no bearing on the eventual decision by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

“None of which impacts on the decision reached by CAS,” Ings wrote on Twitter.

“WADA determine what’s banned. Not ASADA.

“And no one argues successfully that TB-4 is not banned.

“EFC34 were well represented at both hearing. They lost.”

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Re: Essendon

Postby whufc » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:45 am

A big IF but IF this is true who is the scapegoat, ASADA, WADA, AFL. Heads will have to roll if there is some truths to the reports.
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Re: Essendon

Postby Jim05 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:54 am

Meh, we have moved on and nothing will come of this now. Individuals may pursue it further I’d imagine.
Interesting timing as usual though
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Re: Essendon

Postby am Bays » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:48 am

They players were actually suspended for failing to disclose on their drug testing forms that they were taking any supplements medications etc.

All athletes get the chance to disclose what they’re taking up front, antibiotics glucosamine (useless unproven supplement based on the AIS website) etc

ASADA/WADA we’re unable to definitively prove what they were taking, hence why they weren’t suspended for taking a banned substance. There was strong suspicion they were taking “the recently added supplement”

As Jim said best to move on as this is nothing more than water cooler conversation fodder. Let’s get back to the real issue at hand will Essendon get pick 5&9 for Joe and did Wines manager “nod nod wink wink say no more” with Carlton
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Re: Essendon

Postby PatowalongaPirate » Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:38 am

Will Snelling will remain a Bomber in 2020, signed a 1 year deal to be on our rookie list.
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Re: Essendon

Postby Jim05 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:51 pm

Mitch Brown delisted
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Re: Essendon

Postby JK » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:15 pm

Jim05 wrote:Mitch Brown delisted


Did you see that coming?
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Re: Essendon

Postby Jim05 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:18 pm

JK wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Mitch Brown delisted


Did you see that coming?

A bit of a surprise as I think he is better value than others on our list. He is no world beater but was serviceable and good depth
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Re: Essendon

Postby PatowalongaPirate » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:20 pm

Jim05 wrote:
JK wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Mitch Brown delisted


Did you see that coming?

A bit of a surprise as I think he is better value than others on our list. He is no world beater but was serviceable and good depth

Can play both ends too.
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Re: Essendon

Postby daysofourlives » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:11 am

Jim05 wrote:
JK wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Mitch Brown delisted


Did you see that coming?

A bit of a surprise as I think he is better value than others on our list. He is no world beater but was serviceable and good depth

Absolutely no chance he would ever ne a premiership player so why keep him. Good decision, list clogger for sure
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Re: Essendon

Postby Jim05 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:16 am

daysofourlives wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
JK wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Mitch Brown delisted


Did you see that coming?

A bit of a surprise as I think he is better value than others on our list. He is no world beater but was serviceable and good depth

Absolutely no chance he would ever ne a premiership player so why keep him. Good decision, list clogger for sure

We ain’t winning a flag soon and he is better value than plenty of our other spuds
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Re: Essendon

Postby Brodlach » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:54 am

Jim05 wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
JK wrote:
Did you see that coming?

A bit of a surprise as I think he is better value than others on our list. He is no world beater but was serviceable and good depth

Absolutely no chance he would ever ne a premiership player so why keep him. Good decision, list clogger for sure

We ain’t winning a final soon and he is better value than plenty of our other spuds



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Re: Essendon

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:56 am

Bloody hell, i wouldve given up pick 37 to have him back.....instead we get JJ

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Re: Essendon

Postby JK » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:02 am

Jim05 wrote:
JK wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Mitch Brown delisted


Did you see that coming?

A bit of a surprise as I think he is better value than others on our list. He is no world beater but was serviceable and good depth


Yeah that was pretty much my thoughts .. Has a go with limitations, but works harder on a more consistent basis than McKernan (whos best is probably better) and at least provides a regular target.

Whats the deal with Stewart, guessing he's had a bad run with injury over the last 18 months?
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Re: Essendon

Postby woodublieve12 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:03 am

Jim05 wrote:Mitch Brown delisted

oh no, my favorite player
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Re: Essendon

Postby Jim05 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:06 am

JK wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
JK wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Mitch Brown delisted


Did you see that coming?

A bit of a surprise as I think he is better value than others on our list. He is no world beater but was serviceable and good depth


Yeah that was pretty much my thoughts .. Has a go with limitations, but works harder on a more consistent basis than McKernan (whos best is probably better) and at least provides a regular target.

Whats the deal with Stewart, guessing he's had a bad run with injury over the last 18 months?

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Re: Essendon

Postby PatowalongaPirate » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:57 am

For the first time since 2011, Essendon Football Club is debt-free, having reduced its borrowings by $3.9 million in 2019, and at the same time increased cash reserves to $6.4 million.

Reporting an overall profit of $3.534 million, inclusive of The Hangar development fundraising income of $3.474 million, the club utilised the surplus of its profit to fully pay down outstanding debt.

At October 31, 2019, excluding the increased level of fundraising associated with The Hangar redevelopment, the club recorded a net operating profit of $60,000 and operating cash surplus of $3.4 million.

The net assets of the club increased to $39.6 million, compared to $36.1 million in 2018.

In 2019, the club achieved record membership of 84,567 - an increase of more than 5,000 over the previous year.
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Re: Essendon

Postby Jim05 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:39 am

Pity we can’t buy flags anymore
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Re: Essendon

Postby beef » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:45 am

Jim05 wrote:Pity we can’t buy flags anymore

Carlton agree, but we couldn't even buy them these days
Makes you wonder if no salary cap who would be the best sides, always though West Coast had the most money, between them and collingwood they would have the most success in a EPL type set up.
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Re: Essendon

Postby Jim05 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:50 am

beef wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Pity we can’t buy flags anymore

Carlton agree, but we couldn't even buy them these days
Makes you wonder if no salary cap who would be the best sides, always though West Coast had the most money, between them and collingwood they would have the most success in a EPL type set up.

Traditionally both Carlton and Essendon have both been far better financially off than Collingwood. Remarkable to think how well off we are considering our dire on field performance. If we ever get successful again we would blow Richmond and Collingwood out of the water.
The Eagles would easily be in the best position though if it went to a free for all
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