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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby The Dark Knight » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:40 pm

Jim05 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:[quote="Jim05"]Nice one Warner!
24th century and level with Greg Chappell


Old Downhill Dave, never in doubt.

You mean the bloke who will go down in history as one of our all time best openers?


In Australia, in 2nd innings.

Averages 60 in South Africa which is often the most bowler friendly place there is.
Poor record in England no doubt but there wouldn’t be many blokes ever who averaged 65 in Australia, that is quite remarkable especially for an opener. For comparison Smith averages 55 in Australia[/quote]Warner has the forth highest amount of test runs for an Australian opener (fifth if you count David Boon but Boon played the majority of his career at three) and has the 8th highest amount of hundreds for an Australian batsman, like you said now equal with Greg Chappell.
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby am Bays » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:42 pm

Sorry McCartney was primarily a #3, got him mixed up with ol' Warwick Bardsley
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby Bum Crack » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:43 pm

Booney wrote:7156 runs at 48.35

In the first innings 4277 runs at an average of 50.91

He's still a cheating ****.
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby whufc » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:44 pm

Warner overall average overseas is 34.50 which imo is below par and probably has him below the likes of Haydn, Taylor and Langer who were far more consistent globally than Davey.

The statistics dont look great especially taking into account i believe the two biggest overseas tours for an Australian cricketer are England and India.

in England averages 26.04
in India averages 24.25
in New Zealand averages 13.00
in Sri Lanka average 27.17
in West Indies averages 26.90
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby Booney » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:45 pm

Bum Crack wrote:
Booney wrote:7156 runs at 48.35

In the first innings 4277 runs at an average of 50.91

He's still a cheating ****.


He sure is, but he's not a downhill skiier.
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby DOC » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:47 pm

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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby Jim05 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:54 pm

Still a chance this will be over today
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby whufc » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:06 pm

The topic has got me thinking how does one determine who a 'All Time Great' is.

Trying not to use the term to loosely i thinking about the top 1%, what are your t&c's.

For mine:
-Overall average must be over 50.
-Away average must be over 45 which means you were world class both home and away
-The away average must include an average of over 50 away from home against one of England or India...the truest tests for an Aussie batsmen.
-50 tests to qualify, longevity is part of being great....keeping in mind 50 tests for older players was hard to achieve.

Based on my qualifications players that are 'Great' off the top of my head are:

Sir Donald Bradman
Steve Smith
Steve Waugh
Allan Border

Unlucky to miss out
Greg Chappell
Ricky Ponting
Matty Hayden
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby Dutchy » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:07 pm

whufc wrote:Warner overall average overseas is 34.50 which imo is below par and probably has him below the likes of Haydn, Taylor and Langer who were far more consistent globally than Davey.

The statistics dont look great especially taking into account i believe the two biggest overseas tours for an Australian cricketer are England and India.

in England averages 26.04
in India averages 24.25
in New Zealand averages 13.00
in Sri Lanka average 27.17
in West Indies averages 26.90


Says a lot.
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby Booney » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:08 pm

whufc wrote:The topic has got me thinking how does one determine who a 'All Time Great' is.

Trying not to use the term to loosely i thinking about the top 3%, what are your t&c's.

For mine:
-Overall average must be over 50.
-Away average must be over 45 which means you world class both home and away
-The away average must include an average of over 50 away from home against one of England or India...the truest tests for an Aussie batsmen.
-50 tests to qualify, longevity is part of being great....keeping in mind 50 tests for older players was hard to achieve.

Based on my qualifications players that are 'Great' off the top of my head are:

Sir Donald Bradman
Steve Smith
Steve Waugh
Allan Border

Unlucky to miss out
Greg Chappell
Ricky Ponting
Matty Hayden


Ponting is a great, no doubt.
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby whufc » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:09 pm

Booney wrote:
whufc wrote:The topic has got me thinking how does one determine who a 'All Time Great' is.

Trying not to use the term to loosely i thinking about the top 3%, what are your t&c's.

For mine:
-Overall average must be over 50.
-Away average must be over 45 which means you world class both home and away
-The away average must include an average of over 50 away from home against one of England or India...the truest tests for an Aussie batsmen.
-50 tests to qualify, longevity is part of being great....keeping in mind 50 tests for older players was hard to achieve.

Based on my qualifications players that are 'Great' off the top of my head are:

Sir Donald Bradman
Steve Smith
Steve Waugh
Allan Border

Unlucky to miss out
Greg Chappell
Ricky Ponting
Matty Hayden


Ponting is a great, no doubt.


Modest performances in England (42 average) and very much below par in India (26). Ruled him out of the 1% greats based on my requirements.
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby woodublieve12 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:10 pm

whufc wrote:The topic has got me thinking how does one determine who a 'All Time Great' is.

Trying not to use the term to loosely i thinking about the top 1%, what are your t&c's.

For mine:
-Overall average must be over 50.
-Away average must be over 45 which means you world class both home and away
-The away average must include an average of over 50 away from home against one of England or India...the truest tests for an Aussie batsmen.
-50 tests to qualify, longevity is part of being great....keeping in mind 50 tests for older players was hard to achieve.

Based on my qualifications players that are 'Great' off the top of my head are:

Sir Donald Bradman
Steve Smith
Steve Waugh
Allan Border

Unlucky to miss out
Greg Chappell
Ricky Ponting
Matty Hayden




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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby Booney » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:13 pm

whufc wrote:Warner overall average overseas is 34.50 which imo is below par and probably has him below the likes of Haydn, Taylor and Langer who were far more consistent globally than Davey.

The statistics dont look great especially taking into account i believe the two biggest overseas tours for an Australian cricketer are England and India.

in England averages 26.04
in India averages 24.25
in New Zealand averages 13.00
in Sri Lanka average 27.17
in West Indies averages 26.90


Has played 2 matches in New Zealand, hardly a time to declare he's inept there.

Has played 8 matches in India, so I'll cop his 24 there is below par.

Has played 3 matches in Sri Lank, see New Zealand.

In England, 651 runs at 26 and in South Africa ( I note you left that out ) 760 runs at 63.

I'll give you England and India as below par, wouldn't be many Aussies who would be close to their career average in India though.
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby am Bays » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:25 pm

Booney wrote:I'll give you England and India as below par, wouldn't be many Aussies who would be close to their career average in India though.


You're right Damien Martyn career average 46

In India 55, 52 in Sri Lanka ;)
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby David Brent » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:27 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:
whufc wrote:The topic has got me thinking how does one determine who a 'All Time Great' is.

Trying not to use the term to loosely i thinking about the top 1%, what are your t&c's.

For mine:
-Overall average must be over 50.
-Away average must be over 45 which means you world class both home and away
-The away average must include an average of over 50 away from home against one of England or India...the truest tests for an Aussie batsmen.
-50 tests to qualify, longevity is part of being great....keeping in mind 50 tests for older players was hard to achieve.

Based on my qualifications players that are 'Great' off the top of my head are:

Sir Donald Bradman
Steve Smith
Steve Waugh
Allan Border

Unlucky to miss out
Greg Chappell
Ricky Ponting
Matty Hayden




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If Ponting isn't an all time great & not rated above S Waugh then something is wrong. Far superior player.
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby Booney » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:29 pm

Anyone else want to tell me how these Kiwis are plucky little fighters?

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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby Jim05 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:29 pm

4/22 and a bloke who won’t bat lol
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby woodublieve12 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:29 pm

David Brent wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:
whufc wrote:The topic has got me thinking how does one determine who a 'All Time Great' is.

Trying not to use the term to loosely i thinking about the top 1%, what are your t&c's.

For mine:
-Overall average must be over 50.
-Away average must be over 45 which means you world class both home and away
-The away average must include an average of over 50 away from home against one of England or India...the truest tests for an Aussie batsmen.
-50 tests to qualify, longevity is part of being great....keeping in mind 50 tests for older players was hard to achieve.

Based on my qualifications players that are 'Great' off the top of my head are:

Sir Donald Bradman
Steve Smith
Steve Waugh
Allan Border

Unlucky to miss out
Greg Chappell
Ricky Ponting
Matty Hayden




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If Ponting isn't an all time great & not rated above S Waugh then something is wrong. Far superior player.

GTFO.... :lol:

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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby Dutchy » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:29 pm

4/22

I need Taylor to make 39 to win a bet, he is going to run out of partners :evil:
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Re: Trans Tasman Trophy

Postby The Dark Knight » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:30 pm

Jim05 wrote:4/22 and a bloke who won’t bat lol
Wow, they're folding like a deck of cards.
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