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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Booney » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:43 pm

The problem is T20 has attracted the people with shorter attention spans who aren't willing to sit through the long form. How does that translate to sitting through season after season of 473 BBL matches? Not very well at all....
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Dutchy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:43 pm

Hasn't happened in Australia though, each countries cricketing board needs to manage it carefully and you won't get test quality players leaving for the T20 circuit.

India don't even let their players play T20 outside of the IPL.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:46 pm

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Booney wrote:Exactly what those of us were saying 5,7,9 years ago, T20 will kill Test cricket off as players chase the easy money and spectators with the attention spans of....what was I saying?
5 to 10 years ago English County Cricket saw a drop in crowd numbers at 20/20 matches.....they have been playing this format since 2003. The novelty factor has gone.

For me I've only seen the Strikers live once in their entire existence, this season have barely watched a ball of the BBL.

Corporate Greed has killed the game and it's creeping into the game at grassroots level too!


Grassroots level is shithouse nowadays, Grade 7 PDCA 8-10 years ago would be equivalent to the better sides in Grade 3 of today.

Under 16's has barely any teams left in it, 14's is dropping off and anything under had to modify the game.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Booney » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:47 pm

Dutchy wrote:Hasn't happened in Australia though, each countries cricketing board needs to manage it carefully and you won't get test quality players leaving for the T20 circuit.

India don't even let their players play T20 outside of the IPL.


Well we're ****** then.

The international summer was over on the 7th January. Meanwhile BBL09 was 25 matches into it's 56 match series.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:16 pm

Booney wrote:
Dutchy wrote:Hasn't happened in Australia though, each countries cricketing board needs to manage it carefully and you won't get test quality players leaving for the T20 circuit.

India don't even let their players play T20 outside of the IPL.


Well we're ****** then.

The international summer was over on the 7th January. Meanwhile BBL09 was 25 matches into it's 56 match series.

When they're having to schedule a 3 hour game into a 3pm Wednesday afternoon timeslot you know things have turned to crap.

Even a 5 til followed by an 8 til 11 Perth match would've made more sense.

A few years ago you wouldn't see less than 35K at a Strikers match no matter how they were travelling.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Eagles2014 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:26 pm

Booney wrote:Exactly what those of us were saying 5,7,9 years ago, T20 will kill Test cricket off as players chase the easy money and spectators with the attention spans of....what was I saying?


Think Jake Weatherald maybe headed down this track at age 24. Realises he may never play for Australia, and Rashid Khan told him he could make a healthy wage playing 20/20 tournaments around the world. Don't be surprised if this happens within 12-18 months!
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Booney » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:51 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
Booney wrote:Exactly what those of us were saying 5,7,9 years ago, T20 will kill Test cricket off as players chase the easy money and spectators with the attention spans of....what was I saying?


Think Jake Weatherald maybe headed down this track at age 24. Realises he may never play for Australia, and Rashid Khan told him he could make a healthy wage playing 20/20 tournaments around the world. Don't be surprised if this happens within 12-18 months!


Then first class cricket is weakened ( albeit by just one player ) domestically and the snowball is ( already ) in motion.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Q. » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:48 pm

Adelaide Oval will be a puddle by the 7.10PM kick off on Saturday.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Armchair expert » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:35 pm

Q. wrote:Adelaide Oval will be a puddle by the 7.10PM kick off on Saturday.


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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby daysofourlives » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:07 pm

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Eagles2014 wrote:Richard Earle from The Advertiser was continually writing articles pushing Lehmann to play for Australia at the time, he gets fixated on certain players!

To be fair, Lehmann was in red hot form in the BBL a few years back, the season that he came out with 1 ball remaining and he needed to hit a 6 to win, he had some good innings' either side of that.

I wonder if they take T20 form into consideration when selecting an ODI team?

I wonder if Peter Siddle re-evaluates his decision to step out of the international arena if CA offered him a spot on the ODI or T20 squad?

If you're picking an Aussie short form XI then Wells would have to come into the equation, He'd be pipped by Stoinis, D.Short, S.Marsh and Maxwell though IMO.

Out of Australia's last ODI I'd take out Marnus, Starc, Turner and Agar and have the following line up.

Warner
Finch
Smith
Stoinis
D.Short
Maxwell
Carey
Cummins
Zampa
Siddle
Hazlewood

Pattinson, Lyon, Wells and S.Marsh would make up the squad, we really are lacking in the bowling department.


The logic you have applied to picking the ODI team is exactly whats wrong with the way the selectors pick it, they do it year on year and have the same problems IMO.
T20 cricket is so different to ODI cricket, its as big a difference as ODI is to Test cricket and requires batsman in specialist positions as well as bowlers. Also the BBL is a really poor standard, there is up to 25 players at any one time playing in it that don't get a look in for their own states in any other form.
Last year they picked Siddle in the ODI team and in the past Tye, they were proven to be duds at ODI level when the batsman can sit on them and don't have to go after every ball they bowl. Sure they might be good for 2 over each at the death but they need to bowl 8 overs at some other stage and that's where they go for plenty.
Stoinis has proven over a fairly lengthy period he is not up to ODI cricket, I wouldn't pick him in a T20 I either, Warner and Finch ahead of him and he cant bat anywhere else. Specialist batsman in specialist positions is required.

T20I team for me would look something like this
Warner
Finch
Smith
Carey (or at 6)
Maxwell
Wells
Zampa
Cummins
Starc
Swepson or Boyce ( need 2 spinners)
Siddle
Must have 5 specialist bowlers in this form IMO plus Maxy to pinch overs and get us out of trouble if one gets touched up.
Plenty of players like Wade, Short, Stoinis who kill it opening in BBL but opening is so differnet to batting in Wells position that they cant be considered there.

ODI team
Warner
Finch
Smith
Laubushagne (worth perservering with for a little while)
Maxwell
Carey
M Marsh (any all rounder that hits a purple patch)
Cummins
Starc
Zampa
Hazelwood/J Richardson/Pattinson (need tricks to get batsman out with good balls in ODI, ie swing it, counts out the likes of Siddle. Tye etc)

Chris Lynn to never be considered for an Australian team EVER
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Dutchy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:28 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
Booney wrote:Exactly what those of us were saying 5,7,9 years ago, T20 will kill Test cricket off as players chase the easy money and spectators with the attention spans of....what was I saying?


Think Jake Weatherald maybe headed down this track at age 24. Realises he may never play for Australia, and Rashid Khan told him he could make a healthy wage playing 20/20 tournaments around the world. Don't be surprised if this happens within 12-18 months!


TBH I dont think Weatherald is making the major T20 leagues around the world as overseas spots are limited and if he was good enough for the IPL/CPL he would have played already as they are both in our domestic off season.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:31 am

daysofourlives wrote:
The logic you have applied to picking the ODI team is exactly whats wrong with the way the selectors pick it, they do it year on year and have the same problems IMO.
T20 cricket is so different to ODI cricket, its as big a difference as ODI is to Test cricket and requires batsman in specialist positions as well as bowlers. Also the BBL is a really poor standard, there is up to 25 players at any one time playing in it that don't get a look in for their own states in any other form.
Last year they picked Siddle in the ODI team and in the past Tye, they were proven to be duds at ODI level when the batsman can sit on them and don't have to go after every ball they bowl. Sure they might be good for 2 over each at the death but they need to bowl 8 overs at some other stage and that's where they go for plenty.
Stoinis has proven over a fairly lengthy period he is not up to ODI cricket, I wouldn't pick him in a T20 I either, Warner and Finch ahead of him and he cant bat anywhere else. Specialist batsman in specialist positions is required.

T20I team for me would look something like this
Warner
Finch
Smith
Carey (or at 6)
Maxwell
Wells
Zampa
Cummins
Starc
Swepson or Boyce ( need 2 spinners)
Siddle
Must have 5 specialist bowlers in this form IMO plus Maxy to pinch overs and get us out of trouble if one gets touched up.
Plenty of players like Wade, Short, Stoinis who kill it opening in BBL but opening is so differnet to batting in Wells position that they cant be considered there.

ODI team
Warner
Finch
Smith
Laubushagne (worth perservering with for a little while)
Maxwell
Carey
M Marsh (any all rounder that hits a purple patch)
Cummins
Starc
Zampa
Hazelwood/J Richardson/Pattinson (need tricks to get batsman out with good balls in ODI, ie swing it, counts out the likes of Siddle. Tye etc)

Chris Lynn to never be considered for an Australian team EVER


Siddle has added a string to his bow, Tye is plain junk.

I don't think you can have Marnus and Smith in the same ODI side, they both bat for too long and wont strike at over 100.

If you're gonna play two spinners I'd have the GOAT in there, I like his short game bowling.

The problem is that our ODD comp is too early in the season, form is forgotten or lost, bring back the old format and chuck this BBL stuff in to begin the summer or end it once the international stuff is done with, we might even entice some international players to extend their stay.

Play 3 tests early against a touring side, squeeze in an old style WSC-like format, play the other touring nation for 3 tests during which time we could have the shield and ODD games running, then play the BBL late Feb early March.

Alternatively play the BBL in October/November and move the tests back a bit, we'd hit a brick wall too early though.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby The Bedge » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:07 am

I'd like to see Wells play ODI before Aus T20 - I think he'd be a good fit, a lot of Michael Bevan about the way he builds an innings, and he's shown countless times you don't need to whack it 90m everyball to accumulate a good score at a good rate.

He rarely wastes a ball, and looks to know his game very well. Sound in the field also, I would love seeing him come into the ODI middle order after 20 odd overs and having 20+ overs to work the ball, rotate the strike and keep the scoring ticking along, anchor the innings and let the rest go bang from the other end.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby locky801 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:14 pm

The Bedge wrote:I'd like to see Wells play ODI before Aus T20 - I think he'd be a good fit, a lot of Michael Bevan about the way he builds an innings, and he's shown countless times you don't need to whack it 90m everyball to accumulate a good score at a good rate.

He rarely wastes a ball, and looks to know his game very well. Sound in the field also, I would love seeing him come into the ODI middle order after 20 odd overs and having 20+ overs to work the ball, rotate the strike and keep the scoring ticking along, anchor the innings and let the rest go bang from the other end.



Good call have to agree :D
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby daysofourlives » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:31 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
The logic you have applied to picking the ODI team is exactly whats wrong with the way the selectors pick it, they do it year on year and have the same problems IMO.
T20 cricket is so different to ODI cricket, its as big a difference as ODI is to Test cricket and requires batsman in specialist positions as well as bowlers. Also the BBL is a really poor standard, there is up to 25 players at any one time playing in it that don't get a look in for their own states in any other form.
Last year they picked Siddle in the ODI team and in the past Tye, they were proven to be duds at ODI level when the batsman can sit on them and don't have to go after every ball they bowl. Sure they might be good for 2 over each at the death but they need to bowl 8 overs at some other stage and that's where they go for plenty.
Stoinis has proven over a fairly lengthy period he is not up to ODI cricket, I wouldn't pick him in a T20 I either, Warner and Finch ahead of him and he cant bat anywhere else. Specialist batsman in specialist positions is required.

T20I team for me would look something like this
Warner
Finch
Smith
Carey (or at 6)
Maxwell
Wells
Zampa
Cummins
Starc
Swepson or Boyce ( need 2 spinners)
Siddle
Must have 5 specialist bowlers in this form IMO plus Maxy to pinch overs and get us out of trouble if one gets touched up.
Plenty of players like Wade, Short, Stoinis who kill it opening in BBL but opening is so differnet to batting in Wells position that they cant be considered there.

ODI team
Warner
Finch
Smith
Laubushagne (worth perservering with for a little while)
Maxwell
Carey
M Marsh (any all rounder that hits a purple patch)
Cummins
Starc
Zampa
Hazelwood/J Richardson/Pattinson (need tricks to get batsman out with good balls in ODI, ie swing it, counts out the likes of Siddle. Tye etc)

Chris Lynn to never be considered for an Australian team EVER


Siddle has added a string to his bow, Tye is plain junk.

I don't think you can have Marnus and Smith in the same ODI side, they both bat for too long and wont strike at over 100.

If you're gonna play two spinners I'd have the GOAT in there, I like his short game bowling.

The problem is that our ODD comp is too early in the season, form is forgotten or lost, bring back the old format and chuck this BBL stuff in to begin the summer or end it once the international stuff is done with, we might even entice some international players to extend their stay.

Play 3 tests early against a touring side, squeeze in an old style WSC-like format, play the other touring nation for 3 tests during which time we could have the shield and ODD games running, then play the BBL late Feb early March.

Alternatively play the BBL in October/November and move the tests back a bit, we'd hit a brick wall too early though.


Not sure about GOAT, think he is an easy target in ODI/T20
Im sure Sids got spanked last year when they picked him in the ODI's after the BBL. I doubt he has got better at the longer game since then.
I do tend to agree about Marnus and Smith but I think Marnus has been so good at Test level he deserves to be given the chance to adapt his game to ODI level, the best players in the world play all formats, I think Marnus will adapt.
I fear ODI's are dead apart from world cups, the BBL isn't going anywhere, nothing will change in that regard, just the way it is.
Could all ODIs be part of a yearly "premiership"? Perhaps have a 3 or 5 match knockout series throughout the year, or a series of tri series to progress.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby The Bedge » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:45 pm

Are we forgetting Siddle retired from International Cricket?
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:07 am

The Bedge wrote:Are we forgetting Siddle retired from International Cricket?

No.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Tony Clifton » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:39 pm

Thunder will post 200 here

Still reckon the Hurricanes are a good chance to chase it down though
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby The Dark Knight » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:43 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:Thunder will post 200 here

Still reckon the Hurricanes are a good chance to chase it down though
Doesn't look like the Hurricanes will do it now at 4/74 and needing 124 from 66.
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Re: BBL 2019/20

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:18 am

The Dark Knight wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:Thunder will post 200 here

Still reckon the Hurricanes are a good chance to chase it down though
Doesn't look like the Hurricanes will do it now at 4/74 and needing 124 from 66.

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