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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby The Bedge » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:59 am

Tinfoil hat time..

Oct 11 - China and US reach tentative agreement on trade deal.
Dec 1 - Believed first Coronavirus case
Dec 13 - China and US agree to new trade deal to put end to ongoing 2 years trade war.

China - appeared to have recovered from this and back to business as usual.
Russia - only 147 confirmed cases, zero deaths.. have just played a major hand in crashing the oil market and can sustain at ~$20.. Also China's friend.
India - one of the most heavily dense populations in the world, and largest, most like in poverty stricken conditions, only 169 confirmed cased and 3 deaths... Also Russia's friend.

China export something like $418 billion to the US annually, whilst if the oil price stays low will cripple the US shale industry and cripple the countries economy.. which will impact the US ability to trade.

Everyone hates the US.. could this whole thing be a deliberate ploy from China/Russia?

Is it a coincidence that this is all unravelling at the same time?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jim05 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:59 am

Booney wrote:Maybe the airlines should buy less smashed avo on toast and takeaway coffees.

That's what everyone else gets told to do.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Bum Crack » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:03 am

David Brent wrote:
Bum Crack wrote:Wouldn't it be nice if the banks put a freeze on all mortgage payments for small business and home owners for 6 weeks. That would be a nice stimulus package. Surely they could wear that and they'd still make a billion dollar profit.


If you have been directly effected by the Covid-19 with loss of hours, income in your business etc then contact your bank directly & they will work with you to assist with mortgage payments anyway possible I can guarantee that.

If they were to freeze all mortgage payments for 6 weeks for everyone Australia wide I'd imagine we would see plenty of redundancies & people being let go very quickly in financial institutions.

I'm sure the banks could wear it for 6 weeks mate. It's not like they're writing off those payments altogether. Just suspending them until people get back on track. The benefits to everyone would be massive and the banks could take credit for it all.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:03 am

Jim05 wrote:
Booney wrote:Maybe the airlines should buy less smashed avo on toast and takeaway coffees.

That's what everyone else gets told to do.
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Airlines are a very dicey proposition at the best of times, contrary to many people’s thoughts they don’t make money hand over fist and run at a very low profit most even in good times. For a nation the size of Australia though they are vitally important and need to be kept afloat. I’m all for bailing them out but they need to have strict guidelines attached to them


2019 - Hey, your bag is 1kg over, that's $150 and no, you can't sit next to your wife and the ham toastie is $11.

2020 - Please, help us, we're broke.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Q. » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:05 am

Booney wrote:Maybe the airlines should buy less smashed avo on toast and takeaway coffees.

That's what everyone else gets told to do.



Maybe they could start paying some tax like everyone else, when this is all over.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby whufc » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:06 am

The Bedge wrote:Tinfoil hat time..

Oct 11 - China and US reach tentative agreement on trade deal.
Dec 1 - Believed first Coronavirus case
Dec 13 - China and US agree to new trade deal to put end to ongoing 2 years trade war.

China - appeared to have recovered from this and back to business as usual.
Russia - only 147 confirmed cases, zero deaths.. have just played a major hand in crashing the oil market and can sustain at ~$20.. Also China's friend.
India - one of the most heavily dense populations in the world, and largest, most like in poverty stricken conditions, only 169 confirmed cased and 3 deaths... Also Russia's friend.

China export something like $418 billion to the US annually, whilst if the oil price stays low will cripple the US shale industry and cripple the countries economy.. which will impact the US ability to trade.

Everyone hates the US.. could this whole thing be a deliberate ploy from China/Russia?

Is it a coincidence that this is all unravelling at the same time?


Got no ******* idea but wouldn't ever rule out chemical/biological tactics used to manipulate world happenings.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Q. » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:09 am

Crown Casino is exempt from national cabinet ‘ban on non-essential gatherings of persons 100 and greater in indoor areas’ :roll:
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jim05 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:09 am

Booney wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
Booney wrote:Maybe the airlines should buy less smashed avo on toast and takeaway coffees.

That's what everyone else gets told to do.
True
Airlines are a very dicey proposition at the best of times, contrary to many people’s thoughts they don’t make money hand over fist and run at a very low profit most even in good times. For a nation the size of Australia though they are vitally important and need to be kept afloat. I’m all for bailing them out but they need to have strict guidelines attached to them


2019 - Hey, your bag is 1kg over, that's $150 and no, you can't sit next to your wife and the ham toastie is $11.

2020 - Please, help us, we're broke.
Working within the industry obviously distorts my view.
Yes I agree fees like those you have mentioned are terrible but do you really think airlines are making a profit flying $280 return from Adelaide to Bali or $49 Adelaide to Melbourne?
Most domestic flights just break even or slight profit thanks to heavy taxes and airport fees.
It’s a real tough industry
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jim05 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:11 am

Q. wrote:
Booney wrote:Maybe the airlines should buy less smashed avo on toast and takeaway coffees.

That's what everyone else gets told to do.



Maybe they could start paying some tax like everyone else, when this is all over.
Virgin would need to make a profit first but yes as I said I would put strict requirements on any handouts such as paying it back or paying tax
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Bum Crack » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:11 am

Jim05 wrote:
Booney wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
Booney wrote:Maybe the airlines should buy less smashed avo on toast and takeaway coffees.

That's what everyone else gets told to do.
True
Airlines are a very dicey proposition at the best of times, contrary to many people’s thoughts they don’t make money hand over fist and run at a very low profit most even in good times. For a nation the size of Australia though they are vitally important and need to be kept afloat. I’m all for bailing them out but they need to have strict guidelines attached to them


2019 - Hey, your bag is 1kg over, that's $150 and no, you can't sit next to your wife and the ham toastie is $11.

2020 - Please, help us, we're broke.
Working within the industry obviously distorts my view.
Yes I agree fees like those you have mentioned are terrible but do you really think airlines are making a profit flying $280 return from Adelaide to Bali or $49 Adelaide to Melbourne?
Most domestic flights just break even or slight profit thanks to heavy taxes and airport fees.
It’s a real tough industry

Ol mate Joycey seems to do ok out of the industry
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jim05 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:13 am

Bum Crack wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
Booney wrote:
Jim05 wrote:[quote="Booney"]Maybe the airlines should buy less smashed avo on toast and takeaway coffees.

That's what everyone else gets told to do.
True
Airlines are a very dicey proposition at the best of times, contrary to many people’s thoughts they don’t make money hand over fist and run at a very low profit most even in good times. For a nation the size of Australia though they are vitally important and need to be kept afloat. I’m all for bailing them out but they need to have strict guidelines attached to them


2019 - Hey, your bag is 1kg over, that's $150 and no, you can't sit next to your wife and the ham toastie is $11.

2020 - Please, help us, we're broke.
Working within the industry obviously distorts my view.
Yes I agree fees like those you have mentioned are terrible but do you really think airlines are making a profit flying $280 return from Adelaide to Bali or $49 Adelaide to Melbourne?
Most domestic flights just break even or slight profit thanks to heavy taxes and airport fees.
It’s a real tough industry

Ol mate Joycey seems to do ok out of the industry[/quote]Yes, his wage is still too much and hopefully one thing that will be restructured in all this
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Footy Chick » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 am

The Bedge wrote:Tinfoil hat time..

Oct 11 - China and US reach tentative agreement on trade deal.
Dec 1 - Believed first Coronavirus case
Dec 13 - China and US agree to new trade deal to put end to ongoing 2 years trade war.

China - appeared to have recovered from this and back to business as usual.
Russia - only 147 confirmed cases, zero deaths.. have just played a major hand in crashing the oil market and can sustain at ~$20.. Also China's friend.
India - one of the most heavily dense populations in the world, and largest, most like in poverty stricken conditions, only 169 confirmed cased and 3 deaths... Also Russia's friend.

China export something like $418 billion to the US annually, whilst if the oil price stays low will cripple the US shale industry and cripple the countries economy.. which will impact the US ability to trade.

Everyone hates the US.. could this whole thing be a deliberate ploy from China/Russia?

Is it a coincidence that this is all unravelling at the same time?


I love a conspiracy theory as much as the next person.

I'm not sure if your theory is the most plausible but the ploy from China thing is completely plausible.

Everyone was worried about Anthrax after 9/11.

China has just proven it can cripple the world with this bio-security risk. Kim Jong Un is probalby wondering why he hadn't thought of it first ;)

All the more reason to rely less on their trade. really.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Kahuna » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:18 am

Footy Chick wrote:They were talking about the government ordering companies to NOT take super payments out of our pays for a given period of time, given that it's just getting lost anyway, we may as well keep the extra 9% to help pay for mortgages and bills if we're forced to be isolated and can't work


I would actually be putting more into Super at this time if I was still working.
Although the perception is that you are paying in to lose money, you would be buying units at a discounted price and will benefit when the market improves.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:20 am

Just completed my first half day working from home.

Productivity is down around 100%

Masturbating is up just over 200%
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Footy Chick » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:23 am

Kahuna wrote:
Footy Chick wrote:They were talking about the government ordering companies to NOT take super payments out of our pays for a given period of time, given that it's just getting lost anyway, we may as well keep the extra 9% to help pay for mortgages and bills if we're forced to be isolated and can't work


I would actually be putting more into Super at this time if I was still working.
Although the perception is that you are paying in to lose money, you would be buying units at a discounted price and will benefit when the market improves.


That actually makes sense. I would never have thought of that :oops:
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:24 am

Booney wrote:Just completed my first half day working from home.

Productivity is down around 100%

Masturbating is up just over 200%

You've gotta pull yourself out of it.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Booney » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:26 am

Kahuna wrote:
Footy Chick wrote:They were talking about the government ordering companies to NOT take super payments out of our pays for a given period of time, given that it's just getting lost anyway, we may as well keep the extra 9% to help pay for mortgages and bills if we're forced to be isolated and can't work


I would actually be putting more into Super at this time if I was still working.
Although the perception is that you are paying in to lose money, you would be buying units at a discounted price and will benefit if and when the market improves.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:28 am

whufc wrote:
Footy Chick wrote:
whufc wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Qantas has followed Virgin Australia and cut all International flights and on the process has put off 2/3 of its staff.
Tasmania has enacted the toughest border laws in the country and anyone heading there from Sunday midnight will need to self isolate for 14 days


Apparently QANTAS isn't offering refunds, only credits and vouchers. Will be interesting to see if the government step in on that one.


This is where are LOT of people are going to lose out.

A lot of cruise liners and the airlines are only offering credits - okay, sounds fine but if all these guys go broke - there's NO cover under any travel insurance for bankruptcy of travel providers, travel agents and tour operators.


Yep. Not a huge issue given the amount we have already spent but in May our 1 year old turns 2 and in September our 11 year turns 12. If we end up going after September the cost to go is going to be thousands more given the 12 year old will be an adult ticket and the 1 year old will have to have her own seat as well.

All fun and games.

P.s Footy Chicks advice throughout this process has been invaluable and saved possibly endless hours on hold on the phone in what is already a stressful situation.

SAFooty community is awesome even if we all have differing opinions views.


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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:34 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:35 am

whufc wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Qantas has followed Virgin Australia and cut all International flights and on the process has put off 2/3 of its staff.
Tasmania has enacted the toughest border laws in the country and anyone heading there from Sunday midnight will need to self isolate for 14 days


Apparently QANTAS arent offering refunds only credits and vouchers. Will be interesting to see if the government step in on that one.


I cancelled a flight yesterday.
There was no fee if you took a credit but the cancellation fee applied if you wanted a refund
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