by am Bays » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:51 pm
by RB » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:09 pm
JohnnyDog wrote:Stan from what i understand Russias main objective from day one was to liberate and secure Eastern and Southern Ukraine
by stan » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:44 pm
Why the blockade then in the Black Sea around Odesa?JohnnyDog wrote:Stan from what i understand Russias main objective from day one was to liberate and secure Eastern and Southern Ukraine and stop the genocide and also release water for Crimea Putin at this stage is not interested in taking over all of Ukraine unless NATO flexes its muscles the other so called reason is to de nazify the East. Yes in the first few weeks he did head towards Kiev then retreated the goal was to take out all of the miltary bases and the airfields which they have achieved from what i understand the Russians are mopping up the resistance in the East hopefully this well also end soon but if the West keeps sending in Billions of dollars worth of armaments this will prolong the conflict i have seen a Doco on the recent history of Ukraine its Oliver Stones " Ukraine on Fire" it sort of explains the corruption its nazi background the orange revolution outside operatives etc this is what i can recall reading over the years very informative correct me if i am wrong.
by JohnnyDog » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:38 am
by JohnnyDog » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:06 pm
by stan » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:29 pm
That's the thing, there is so much fake news out there about all of this, it's hard to get a feel for what's really happening.JohnnyDog wrote:Stan i would not say its a blockade the waterways have been mined and of course both sides blame each other media reports say its the Ukrainians but other media say its the Russians so who do we believe. Yes grain shipments are not coming out of Odessa Ukraine is the second largest exporter of grain in the world this will affect millions of people and will result in food shortages so until the waterways are demined no shipments.
I am not sure about regime change but Zelensky cannot be trusted he is a great actor though.Since 2004 there has been two regime changes in Ukraine have you read about the Orange revolution some say say instigated by provocateurs/operatives/ foreign agents.
In the last fifty years who instigates regime changes and wars have a guess.
by Jim05 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:36 pm
by Armchair expert » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:39 pm
by Armchair expert » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:40 pm
Jim05 wrote:Fantastic that Sweden and Finland are joining NATO. Ukraine aren’t going to give up and hopefully the West keeps supplying them weapons.
by RB » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:47 pm
JohnnyDog wrote:theres talk of Ukraine Finland Sweden and possibly other countries joining NATO no wonder Putin and Russia are not happy with military bases on its doorstep whats that old saying do not poke the bear .
by am Bays » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:32 pm
JohnnyDog wrote:Great analysis correct on all accounts amBays for me whats happening in Europe is all geopolitical manouvring by all the big players with an expansionist military NATO in Europe theres talk of Ukraine Finland Sweden and possibly other countries joining NATO no wonder Putin and Russia are not happy with military bases on its doorstep whats that old saying do not poke the bear .
Its like say China setting up bases in the Pacific or closer to home PNG would Australia be happy nah.
by JohnnyDog » Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:01 pm
by stan » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:25 pm
You can take it to the bank that mankind hasn't learnt a thing.JohnnyDog wrote:Who knows amBays from what i understand they have been poking the bears belly for a lot of years with various broken agreements and NATO has been doing a great job in accepting countries who border Russia into joining the military brotherhood. The bear has been giving subtle warnings on the consequences of this but no one has been listening. I hope i am wrong but it looks like this could blow into a full scale war in Europe all the indicators are there all tit form tat. After two world wars and million upon millions of deaths mankind still has not learnt anything from history.
by JohnnyDog » Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:47 pm
by Psyber » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:11 pm
am Bays wrote:JohnnyDog wrote:Great analysis correct on all accounts amBays for me whats happening in Europe is all geopolitical manouvring by all the big players with an expansionist military NATO in Europe theres talk of Ukraine Finland Sweden and possibly other countries joining NATO no wonder Putin and Russia are not happy with military bases on its doorstep whats that old saying do not poke the bear .
Its like say China setting up bases in the Pacific or closer to home PNG would Australia be happy nah.
You do realise neutral countries like Sweden and Finland are only making noises about joining NATO as a response to the Russian invasion as they don't want to be next?
whether Ukraine saw it as opportunist to apply to join NATO due to their history of issues with Russia is up for debate.
I dont see anything than NATO is doing as expansionist, IMO they are seen as safe haven for vulnerable eastern European state due to the rise of nationalism in the world a la 1890--1915
It's like when it's raining and I see a pub. I'm naturally drawn to it for shelter, it's not making go in there....
by stan » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:10 am
by JohnnyDog » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:46 am
by JohnnyDog » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:48 am
by Jim05 » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:53 am
Poms have just given them a billion pounds more of support and weapons and others kicking in too. This isn’t ending anytime soon unless Russia offers a complete withdrawalJohnnyDog wrote:Good news Stan on the grain shipments re starting hopefully this conflict will soon be over and the whole world can get back to some sort of normality.
by stan » Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:56 am
If the Russians are liberating the Dontesk region then are you able to explain what is happening at the University in Dontesk oblast?JohnnyDog wrote:Possibly Psyber i just hope Putin sticks to his words when he says its an operation to stop the genocide of the Russian speaking Ukrainians also de nazify the area in Eastern Ukraine and halt NATO. As side note i read yesterday that NATO has been in Ukraine since 2014 training the Ukraine military it appears this situation has been simmering for many years.
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