PDCA

[whufc]

I know one day cricket has become extremely popular and can understand why players prefer it. I do question though is if some one of the clubs see the LO1 as a better chance of a flag than say going up against the might of SW every year.

If LO1 became the highest level of PDCA cricket and Salisbury West A Grade played in there, would we then see teams/clubs trying to sandbag in LO2 etc.

Like Lightning said there was still 8 divisions last year so by no means is the comp in panic stations and a move to turf is just crazy and makes no business sense whatsoever.

However if you were creating a comp from scratch using the existing clubs and you conceded that the majority of clubs prefer one day cricket then the perfect set up imo would be....

Based on 23 weekends of cricket currently (is that correct) All one day cricket.

A1, A2, A3, B1, B2 type set up where all clubs play against rival clubs corresponding grade.

8 team division with promotion relegation 21 game season (play each team 3 times)

2 Points a win and then net run rate to separate (not the 0.05 per run, 0.20 per wicket)

Top Four and then 1v4, 2v3 finals to a GF. Nothing like the pressure of one of games in cricket.

Player Qualification for the grade below being 5 games in a grade to qualify for finals.

In a perfect world i would also have the top 2 division (16 teams) of A's / B's / C's play in a Sunday T20 knockout comp. 4 extra Sundays required if you make it the final. Like the soccer randomized knockout draw with all teams in a pot. Once you got to quarter finals stage with 8 teams left you could have the games at one ground for a grade eg

A Grade Q/Finals at Argana Park- 2 Ovals - 11am & 3pm games on both pitches
B Grade Q/Finals at Central United
C Grade Q/Finals at Salisbury West

Semi Final Stage you have 4 teams 2 games you could have the B Grade at 11am at Argana Park on both pitches and then the A Grade at say 3pm on both pitches.

[The Bedge]

I do question though is if some one of the clubs see the LO1 as a better chance of a flag than say going up against the might of SW every year.

If LO1 became the highest level of PDCA cricket and Salisbury West A Grade played in there, would we then see teams/clubs trying to sandbag in LO2 etc.

I got this far and couldn't read anymore. You've lost me - that's some serious tinfoil hat shit.

Look at the clubs in the LO comps, their demographic etc. Nothing to do with SW.

[Lightning McQueen]

I do question though is if some one of the clubs see the LO1 as a better chance of a flag than say going up against the might of SW every year.

If LO1 became the highest level of PDCA cricket and Salisbury West A Grade played in there, would we then see teams/clubs trying to sandbag in LO2 etc.

I got this far and couldn't read anymore. You've lost me - that's some serious tinfoil hat shit.

Look at the clubs in the LO comps, their demographic etc. Nothing to do with SW.

Most clubs are filled with footballers that play cricket, a lot don't want to commit to the next two Saturdays, especially over the warmer months where the races, Christmas shows, beach and general afternoons on the piss are more appealing some weeks.

Westies, Angle Vale, Royals, ATCO, Craigmore and Virginia have more general "cricketers" who actually like playing the longer game rather than see it as way to fill in the Saturday.

EP are more of a bunch of mates that are pretty handy at both sports and don't really take cricket too serious until they're actually out there on the field.

[whufc]

I do question though is if some one of the clubs see the LO1 as a better chance of a flag than say going up against the might of SW every year.

If LO1 became the highest level of PDCA cricket and Salisbury West A Grade played in there, would we then see teams/clubs trying to sandbag in LO2 etc.

I got this far and couldn't read anymore. You've lost me - that's some serious tinfoil hat shit.

Look at the clubs in the LO comps, their demographic etc. Nothing to do with SW.

Not blaming them or anything. Was just posing the question that does having one club so dominant in a league act as a deterrent for some clubs when it comes to playing at the highest level. Especially given many clubs like LM mentioned and littered with 'non serious cricketers. In a perfect world teams/players would strive to reach that level but is that the reality at club level these days. Obviously the AV/ER/ATCO/VIR definitely are but do clubs like Central United, EP, North Pines, Pop Up clubs really care about playing at the highest division possible.

There wouldn't be many teams in any sports as dominant as SW Cricket..........isn't it around 15 Div 1 GF's in a row.

[The Bedge]

but do clubs like Central United, EP, North Pines, Pop Up clubs really care about playing at the highest division possible..

Whether they do or they don't, those clubs don't have the membership base and depth to play higher division, and they're really a season to season prospect.

CU have players who could still play Grade 1 mind you, but if they were that worried about it, they'd be at a G1 club - I don't think that's got anything to do with SW being dominant or them not wanting to challenge themselves, that's more where their life is at now and the type of cricket they want to play.

Pop up clubs are generally 1 team clubs, not a lot of stability.

Reality is a lot of people don't want to play 2 day cricket anymore, they like being done in a day, they like playing someone new every week, they like knowing they can rock up and participate in 2 innings - not get out day 1 and have to rock up to umpire day 2.

[whufc]

but do clubs like Central United, EP, North Pines, Pop Up clubs really care about playing at the highest division possible..

Whether they do or they don't, those clubs don't have the membership base and depth to play higher division, and they're really a season to season prospect.

CU have players who could still play Grade 1 mind you, but if they were that worried about it, they'd be at a G1 club - I don't think that's got anything to do with SW being dominant or them not wanting to challenge themselves, that's more where their life is at now and the type of cricket they want to play.

Pop up clubs are generally 1 team clubs, not a lot of stability.

Reality is a lot of people don't want to play 2 day cricket anymore, they like being done in a day, they like playing someone new every week, they like knowing they can rock up and participate in 2 innings - not get out day 1 and have to rock up to umpire day 2.

That was the question i was posing.....if LO1 got to the point you were having to seriously challenge yourself (which i imagined would be the case if it had A Grades from SW, AV, VIRG, ER) would we then see a drop off in clubs looking to play at that level.

Only questioning as well not saying i know the answer but it kind of feels like in alot of the divisional sports (football, cricket, soccer) that clubs have shifted a bit from wanting to strive to be at the highest level possible to now being fairly content to play in lower grades if it means there is some moderate success and they keep the bar ticking over in summer.

[The Bedge]

but those at CU came from successful Grade 1 clubs - DJ, Kershaw etc.. they don't need to prove themselves or test themselves

[whufc]

but those at CU came from successful Grade 1 clubs - DJ, Kershaw etc.. they don't need to prove themselves or test themselves

Exactly thats my point. So if LO1 became the highest grade and the SW, AV VIR of the worlds were playing in that would we see CU wanting to drop down to LO2 because there players arent interested in that level of cricket.

If the PDCA drops 2 day cricket and makes LO1 the premier grade do they run the risk will we still have the same problem which Div1 has now in that only 5-6 clubs at most want to play at that standard.

I get the impression that the top div is always going to be a bit of an issue because there isnt that many serious cricketers who want to take on the SW and Angle Vales year in year out.

[The Bedge]

No. It's the format that appeals to them - not the challenge of competition.

[Observer55]

I know one day cricket has become extremely popular and can understand why players prefer it. I do question though is if some one of the clubs see the LO1 as a better chance of a flag than say going up against the might of SW every year.

If LO1 became the highest level of PDCA cricket and Salisbury West A Grade played in there, would we then see teams/clubs trying to sandbag in LO2 etc.

Like Lightning said there was still 8 divisions last year so by no means is the comp in panic stations and a move to turf is just crazy and makes no business sense whatsoever.

However if you were creating a comp from scratch using the existing clubs and you conceded that the majority of clubs prefer one day cricket then the perfect set up imo would be....

Based on 23 weekends of cricket currently (is that correct) All one day cricket.

A1, A2, A3, B1, B2 type set up where all clubs play against rival clubs corresponding grade.

8 team division with promotion relegation 21 game season (play each team 3 times)

2 Points a win and then net run rate to separate (not the 0.05 per run, 0.20 per wicket)

Top Four and then 1v4, 2v3 finals to a GF. Nothing like the pressure of one of games in cricket.

Player Qualification for the grade below being 5 games in a grade to qualify for finals.

In a perfect world i would also have the top 2 division (16 teams) of A's / B's / C's play in a Sunday T20 knockout comp. 4 extra Sundays required if you make it the final. Like the soccer randomized knockout draw with all teams in a pot. Once you got to quarter finals stage with 8 teams left you could have the games at one ground for a grade eg

A Grade Q/Finals at Argana Park- 2 Ovals - 11am & 3pm games on both pitches
B Grade Q/Finals at Central United
C Grade Q/Finals at Salisbury West

Semi Final Stage you have 4 teams 2 games you could have the B Grade at 11am at Argana Park on both pitches and then the A Grade at say 3pm on both pitches.

Yep, bang on!

[whufc]

Looking at the A1, A2, A3 one day concept this is what the grades could look like.....

I've gone off last years minor round ladders, also gone off the basis that the two days sides from last year would be preferenced over the LO1 sides. (That could obviously be up for date)

Admittedly it gets tricky when you have sides that are PDCA A grade but not their clubs A Grade like Athelstone.

A1
Virginia
Salisbury West
Eastern Park
Angle Vale
Eyre Royal
Craigmore
Atco
North Pines

A2
Smithfield
Salisbury North
One Tree Hill
Central United
Dublin
Parafield Gardens
Adelaide Union
Hazara Pioneers

A3
NEK
Enfield
Adelaide Warriors
Adelaide Risers
Titans
Pirates
Two Wells
Andrews Farm

[whufc]

B Grade has 2 x 10 team comps.

B1
Angle Vale B
Eyre Royal B
Salisbury West B
Craigmore B
Atco B
North Pines B
Parafield Gardens B
Virginia B
Enfield B
Adelaide Union B

B2
Para Vista B
Adelaide Warriors B
Adelaide Risers B
NEK B
Pirates B
Eastern Park B
Dublin B
Athlestone B
Andrews Farm B
One Tree Hill B

[moriachi]

Forgot Fitzroy champ.

Therein lies a problem as I see it. Fitzroy are an A grade side but in reality were the D grade side from 2 years ago b4 3 sides of ringers left the club. To rate Fitzroy as an A grade side because they are technically an A grade side would be silly. I like current were in theory the sides you face are of similar standard whether they are A, B, C grade.

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[whufc]

Forgot Fitzroy champ.

Therein lies a problem as I see it. Fitzroy are an A grade side but in reality were the D grade side from 2 years ago b4 3 sides of ringers left the club. To rate Fitzroy as an A grade side because they are technically an A grade side would be silly. I like current were in theory the sides you face are of similar standard whether they are A, B, C grade.

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You would know alot better than me but Fitzroy finished 3rd in LO4, half the clubs they played would be lower half LO2 and down. Is there a huge gap in standards between low LO2 and higher LO4 sides.

It cant be any worse than having the EP team of a couple of years ago in Div1.

7th- LO1NEK A
8th- LO1 Enfield A
9th- LO1 Adelaide Warriors A
3rd LO2 Adelaide Risers A
8th LO2 Titans A
9th LO2 Pirates A
6th LO3 Two Wells A
1st LO4 Andrews Farm A

It's the old would a B1 team beat an A3 team

Are there still teams that have their A's, B's, C's in a different comp and then put their D grade in the PDCA. In those cases i don't think it would be unreasonable to treat them as D grades if they genuinely are of that level. I dont know how those type clubs operate.

[Observer55]

Forgot Fitzroy champ.

Therein lies a problem as I see it. Fitzroy are an A grade side but in reality were the D grade side from 2 years ago b4 3 sides of ringers left the club. To rate Fitzroy as an A grade side because they are technically an A grade side would be silly. I like current were in theory the sides you face are of similar standard whether they are A, B, C grade.

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You would know alot better than me but Fitzroy finished 3rd in LO4, half the clubs they played would be lower half LO2 and down. Is there a huge gap in standards between low LO2 and higher LO4 sides.

It cant be any worse than having the EP team of a couple of years ago in Div1.

7th- LO1NEK A
8th- LO1 Enfield A
9th- LO1 Adelaide Warriors A
3rd LO2 Adelaide Risers A
8th LO2 Titans A
9th LO2 Pirates A
6th LO3 Two Wells A
1st LO4 Andrews Farm A

It's the old would a B1 team beat an A3 team

Are there still teams that have their A's, B's, C's in a different comp and then put their D grade in the PDCA. In those cases i don't think it would be unreasonable to treat them as D grades if they genuinely are of that level. I dont know how those type clubs operate.

With promotion and relegation over 4-5 years the grading would balance itself back out

[The Bedge]

7th- LO1NEK A
8th- LO1 Enfield A
9th- LO1 Adelaide Warriors A
3rd LO2 Adelaide Risers A
8th LO2 Titans A
9th LO2 Pirates A
6th LO3 Two Wells A
1st LO4 Andrews Farm A.

Enfield should be around LO3 or LO4 this season - no idea what players they will have. Cree has gone to Dublin, I'm still retired, Brasser is unlikely to play and Gully is 80 years old.

At this stage only two registered seniors.. i'm sure that'll improve as we get closer to the season, but not a great start.

[Lightning McQueen]

May aswell have test series' between say Westies and Virginia while Angle Vale tour Eastern Park.

It's obvious that 2 day cricket will eventually be extinct but we should hold on to traditional cricket for as long as it can.

40 over matches aren't a true reflection on how good a team is, that is why Westies always peak when it matters, they can be 5/65 at tea and still end up 8/270, they do it so often.

[whufc]

It will be a shame when 2 day cricket eventually dies.

I absolutely loved going from junior cricket to then getting the opportunity to bat longer periods, learnt so much about my own batting etc. Also saw many kids who maybe weren't stars at juniors go on and thrive with the bat in the senior 2-day format.

Feel sorry for kids who won't get that opportunity to go out each week and play innings without their being run rate pressure from almost ball one.

[The Bedge]

At this stage only two registered seniors.. i'm sure that'll improve as we get closer to the season, but not a great start.

Back to one.. the other has gone to Eyre Royals.

In other news, i'm hearing 60x LO teams this year

[whufc]

Smithfield really battling for numbers judging by their facebook posts. Probably not completely uncommon for them to be short at this time of the year and no doubt they will probably get the numbers.