Election rort?

[RustyCage]

howard is a friend of small business

Friend to the 1-3 people who run the business, foe to the 5-50 people who work for them and are getting screwed over.

[BIG SEXY]

tell that to the 4 people who work for me. they are all happy with the howard govt and are voting liberal.
perhaps if youre on an AWA and are getting screwed over you should take a look at your work ethic as those workers that are good at what they do (like mine) are doing pretty good for themselves and need to be paid big $ to be kept.

[topsywaldron]

tell that to the 4 people who work for me. they are all happy with the howard govt and are voting liberal.

Is that one of the conditions on their AWA?

[BIG SEXY]

yes it is one of their conditions, they traded that for being happy with their boss....?

[Dogwatcher]

They're happy as they have more hair than you

[BIG SEXY]

thats one of my awa conditions too, i put myself on one and had to trade my hair...but i got my dignity back, kind of

[woodwt]

cant wait for all this election crap to end

i dont care who wins, there both assholes!

[RustyCage]

tell that to the 4 people who work for me. they are all happy with the howard govt and are voting liberal.
perhaps if youre on an AWA and are getting screwed over you should take a look at your work ethic as those workers that are good at what they do (like mine) are doing pretty good for themselves and need to be paid big $ to be kept.

Thats one side of it, and those workers are lucky they have a good boss who rewards them for good work. Unfortunately there are a lot of bosses out there who are using the IR laws as a chance to treat their workers like shit and get rid of them if they complain ("if you dont want the job there are plenty who do" type thing). Two of my mates got the ass from their job so they could be replaced with younger, cheaper labour the day after the scraping of the unfair dismissal laws. There were/are still laws against what happened to them, but they were so easy to bypass, it is a joke. One of them was on the front page of the Advertiser the next day, and they followed his story, until he got another job, which was a fair while later as with media following him, no one wanted to touch him. I'll hunt down the article about him and post it here. I also remember the soon-to-be wife of a safooty.net poster getting shafted as well.

There are a lot of examples of good workers getting shafted by the IR Laws.

[Psyber]

tell that to the 4 people who work for me. they are all happy with the howard govt and are voting liberal.
perhaps if youre on an AWA and are getting screwed over you should take a look at your work ethic as those workers that are good at what they do (like mine) are doing pretty good for themselves and need to be paid big $ to be kept.

Thats one side of it, and those workers are lucky they have a good boss who rewards them for good work. Unfortunately there are a lot of bosses out there who are using the IR laws as a chance to treat their workers like s***t and get rid of them if they complain ("if you dont want the job there are plenty who do" type thing). Two of my mates got the ass from their job so they could be replaced with younger, cheaper labour the day after the scraping of the unfair dismissal laws. There were/are still laws against what happened to them, but they were so easy to bypass, it is a joke. One of them was on the front page of the Advertiser the next day, and they followed his story, until he got another job, which was a fair while later as with media following him, no one wanted to touch him. I'll hunt down the article about him and post it here. I also remember the soon-to-be wife of a safooty.net poster getting shafted as well.

There are a lot of examples of good workers getting shafted by the IR Laws.

That is true - there are also workers who steal from the company, do personal business instead of their work, or frequent footy sites when they are being paid to work.

The truth is there are good people and bad people among employers and employees, Labor and Liberal politicians, and perhaps even among lawyers!

[Dogwatcher]

Psyber, seems you've run of defences for the Coalition and are going with the line "the others are just as bad".

[smac]

Psyber, seems you've run of defences for the Coalition and are going with the line "the others are just as bad".

I think the saddest part of that line is that it's true. The others are just as bad. Spend long enough in power and there will be stuff ups to point fingers at.

There are considerable achievements that this Government have made that are not being given their dues, but that is how it all works (just like Rann has made considerable achievements in SA but we talk of media mike, high-cost trams and shrines in the parklands).

The longer you can convince the public you are doing OK, the longer you stay in power.

[BIG SEXY]

tell that to the 4 people who work for me. they are all happy with the howard govt and are voting liberal.
perhaps if youre on an AWA and are getting screwed over you should take a look at your work ethic as those workers that are good at what they do (like mine) are doing pretty good for themselves and need to be paid big $ to be kept.

Thats one side of it, and those workers are lucky they have a good boss who rewards them for good work. Unfortunately there are a lot of bosses out there who are using the IR laws as a chance to treat their workers like s***t and get rid of them if they complain ("if you dont want the job there are plenty who do" type thing). Two of my mates got the ass from their job so they could be replaced with younger, cheaper labour the day after the scraping of the unfair dismissal laws. There were/are still laws against what happened to them, but they were so easy to bypass, it is a joke. One of them was on the front page of the Advertiser the next day, and they followed his story, until he got another job, which was a fair while later as with media following him, no one wanted to touch him. I'll hunt down the article about him and post it here. I also remember the soon-to-be wife of a safooty.net poster getting shafted as well.

There are a lot of examples of good workers getting shafted by the IR Laws.

there are also plenty of examples of good bosses being screwde by unions which has been happening for years.

[stan]

tell that to the 4 people who work for me. they are all happy with the howard govt and are voting liberal.
perhaps if youre on an AWA and are getting screwed over you should take a look at your work ethic as those workers that are good at what they do (like mine) are doing pretty good for themselves and need to be paid big $ to be kept.

Thats one side of it, and those workers are lucky they have a good boss who rewards them for good work. Unfortunately there are a lot of bosses out there who are using the IR laws as a chance to treat their workers like s***t and get rid of them if they complain ("if you dont want the job there are plenty who do" type thing). Two of my mates got the ass from their job so they could be replaced with younger, cheaper labour the day after the scraping of the unfair dismissal laws. There were/are still laws against what happened to them, but they were so easy to bypass, it is a joke. One of them was on the front page of the Advertiser the next day, and they followed his story, until he got another job, which was a fair while later as with media following him, no one wanted to touch him. I'll hunt down the article about him and post it here. I also remember the soon-to-be wife of a safooty.net poster getting shafted as well.

There are a lot of examples of good workers getting shafted by the IR Laws.

there are also plenty of examples of good bosses being screwde by unions which has been happening for years.

Hell year. Some people that should have been fired years ago but still hang onto there jobs thanks to unions. I have some really good examples. Its amazing what you can do and still keep your job.

[Strawb]

the AWA's are F**ked i can say that. I went from earning $600+ a week after to tax to earning less than $550 and I was told if we open a public holiday and you refuse to work forget about coming in the next day. I am not a union member and at the present moment have no intentions of joining a union. But there is plenty of cases with bosses out there screwing over employee's with these AWA's Howard only decided to clean up the rules to WIN this election.

[BIG SEXY]

my argument in this situation, if your genuinely good at what you do (not just you think your good) and you can demonstrate that to an employer, $600 net p.w isnt an issue, most employers will pay that (the ones worth working for anyway).

yours may be a genuine case but as stan pointed out its a 2 way street, the unions and at the risk of being crucified the employees have had it very very good for a very long time and employees have had to do "as theyre told". the awas may have put the advantage in the employers favour now but for many years it was very hard for us

[Strawb]

my argument in this situation, if your genuinely good at what you do (not just you think your good) and you can demonstrate that to an employer, $600 net p.w isnt an issue, most employers will pay that (the ones worth working for anyway).

yours may be a genuine case but as stan pointed out its a 2 way street, the unions and at the risk of being crucified the employees have had it very very good for a very long time and employees have had to do "as theyre told". the awas may have put the advantage in the employers favour now but for many years it was very hard for us

Yes I was good at my job and when I looked at another job I did all the right things and was asked how much would it cost to keep me. I did all the Math's and asked for a $3.05 pay rise and I was told the company can't afford that. See ya.

[Psyber]

howard is a friend of small business

Friend to the 1-3 people who run the business, foe to the 5-50 people who work for them and are getting screwed over.

And to the 5-50 who have jobs at all because small business is viable. With a change of government a lot of small businesses will revert to only employing family out of fear of what has happened in the past recurring!

[Psyber]

Psyber, seems you've run of defences for the Coalition and are going with the line "the others are just as bad".

I think the saddest part of that line is that it's true. The others are just as bad. Spend long enough in power and there will be stuff ups to point fingers at.

There are considerable achievements that this Government have made that are not being given their dues, but that is how it all works (just like Rann has made considerable achievements in SA but we talk of media mike, high-cost trams and shrines in the parklands).

The longer you can convince the public you are doing OK, the longer you stay in power.

Like smac said! That's my answer too.

There are not clear cut "goodies" and "baddies" here just different ways of seeing things.

I had and acquaintance in Adelaide who sang bass with me in AUCS at Adelaide Uni. He was a full time worker for Labor. At a party, knocking off his bottle of Laphroig out on the verandah so we didn't have to share it with those who wouldn't appreciate it, we found we largely agreed on what was desirable to achieve [including about the Laphroig!]. Our disagreement was about method. He was sympathetic to compulsion, and I argued that if you want people to change what they normally do in a lasting way you needed to make it more attractive than the alternative - this was at a time when Paul Keating was flirting with the idea of regional provider numbers so he could force young doctors into rural areas. My argument was that you needed experienced doctors not inexperienced juniors in that setting, and you couldn't compel them. [The whole idea was impossible under our law anyway.]

At a preferred party level, I have never agreed with everything the coalition has done, and I have agreed with some Labor policies. I have chosen to support and attempt to modify the lesser of two evils as I saw it.

[BIG SEXY]

my argument in this situation, if your genuinely good at what you do (not just you think your good) and you can demonstrate that to an employer, $600 net p.w isnt an issue, most employers will pay that (the ones worth working for anyway).

yours may be a genuine case but as stan pointed out its a 2 way street, the unions and at the risk of being crucified the employees have had it very very good for a very long time and employees have had to do "as theyre told". the awas may have put the advantage in the employers favour now but for many years it was very hard for us

Yes I was good at my job and when I looked at another job I did all the right things and was asked how much would it cost to keep me. I did all the Math's and asked for a $3.05 pay rise and I was told the company can't afford that. See ya.

$3.05 per what? per hour equates to roughly $5 per hour (what the employer has to pay after workcover, super etc), 38 hour week thats a crapload. $3.05 per week isnt worth talking about and if your employer wouldnt pay you an extra $3 a week perhaps id look at if you are really that good at your job.

[southee]

HMMMMM no bigger Rort than watching the Liberials ads I need a laugh after a hard day at work and then I watch their ads

Least I wont have to listen to the ALP "buzzer" going off all the time.

Thank god they are over...man that Ad gave me the shi*s!!!!