John Howard's last night as PM.

[mighty_tiger_79]

whole-heartedly agree with B&W on COSTELLO

he has taken the soft option of quitting and not leading the opposition - no he wanted to be PM not leading the opposition........if he was serious about being PM he should have led the oppositon and led them into the next election


HOWARDS parting speech was very good. I think he did a good job on the whole, but he lost me and a lot of others on work-choices etc

[mick]

whole-heartedly agree with B&W on COSTELLO

he has taken the soft option of quitting and not leading the opposition - no he wanted to be PM not leading the opposition........if he was serious about being PM he should have led the oppositon and led them into the next election


HOWARDS parting speech was very good. I think he did a good job on the whole, but he lost me and a lot of others on work-choices etc

Summed up beautifully, many Liberals I know were very unhappy with the radical nature of work choices, so how must the swinging voters have felt? That is now resoundingly obvious! JWH signed his political death warrant with that legislation, too long in the job, too complacent, he paid the price.

[sasquatch]

Just remember...
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!

[southee]

whole-heartedly agree with B&W on COSTELLO

he has taken the soft option of quitting and not leading the opposition - no he wanted to be PM not leading the opposition........if he was serious about being PM he should have led the oppositon and led them into the next election


HOWARDS parting speech was very good. I think he did a good job on the whole, but he lost me and a lot of others on work-choices etc

Work choices will not go away....Rudd and the Labor government will just badge it and call it something else and we will all have another winge then!!!

[mighty_tiger_79]

well if work choices arent seriously looked at and refined then labor wont win the next election, its pretty much that simple.

we have an award system in place and the fact that companies try and implement AWA's that cut out benefits of the award without any extra bonus is because it cuts into profits.....

its alright for those in an office running the company, but they forget without the people on the floor doing the hard work they would be without a job.

now im not a person who wants more than what i deserve, i simply ask for what the award says i should get and when i get told to sign, thats when i walk...........One guy running a franchise tried to cut around $5,000 per year from me, with no weekend rates etc and he does that to all his staff..........this guy is now battling to keep his contract and the people that he has employed are immigrants who know no better.

[TroyGFC]

I think Labor will keep many of the workchoices things in there, but bring back the Industrial relation Commision, allow collective agreements. I can still see that strikes will still be illegal unless all avenues in barganing have been exhausted.

[am Bays]

I think Labor will keep many of the workchoices things in there, but bring back the Industrial relation Commision, allow collective agreements. I can still see that strikes will still be illegal unless all avenues in barganing have been exhausted.

Which is a good thing if thats what they do and in may ways that is the epitome of the true liberal stance under the founding principles of the Party established by Menzies in 1947 (IIRC) - Individual choice

Can choose to baragin collectively or individually.

[Hondo]

Costello's a free man in a free country he's allowed to do what he wants surely?

If he's decided he's had enough so what?

Someone else will take up the mantle and run with it that's the way life is - one door closes another opens. Who put us in the judgement chair?

I think the Liberals knew privately for the last 12 months that they were stuffed. It could be that Costello decided 12 months ago knowing it would come to this, but still gone through the motion of 'I will be the next PM' for the sake of the election campaign.