A Sorry Saga, or the Saga of Sorry?

[smac]

He was out walking, according to an article I read earlier.

At least he has remained true to himself and his beliefs, that I admire.

[Wedgie]

Howard was one of the greatest politcal opportunists that this country has ever seen (maybe alongside Billy Hughes) and a master of wedge politics.

Leave me out of it!

[BIG SEXY]

"trust issues" thats bullplop. the issues ive mentioned arent going to be helped one smidgen by the word sorry from the aust government. anyone who thinks they are in my opinion is being very naive. the black fellas have more issues than being apologised too. perhaps you should travel up north to the remote communities and watch how much difference that word wil make. ive seen it first hand, as much as it pains me to say alot of those communities nead a firm hand to guide them in the right direction to live a reasonable life

[Dogwatcher]

Yup - and an apology is the start of being able to sort those problems out Crushy.

Agreed though that you can't help those who don't want to be helped.
But maybe, if Aboriginal people feel they are being respected and not patronised, they may realise there is a need to improve their position.

While I haven't been up north Crushy, you know where I did come from and many of those issues are similar there.

[Andy #24]

"trust issues" thats bullplop. the issues ive mentioned arent going to be helped one smidgen by the word sorry from the aust government. anyone who thinks they are in my opinion is being very naive. the black fellas have more issues than being apologised too. perhaps you should travel up north to the remote communities and watch how much difference that word wil make. ive seen it first hand, as much as it pains me to say alot of those communities nead a firm hand to guide them in the right direction to live a reasonable life

Mate, that's exactly the same attitude that led to the stolen generation in the first place. We know better than the Aborigines and should control what they do. Talk about bullplop.

It seems like a lot of the people affected did want an apology and for the wrongs done to be recognised and exposed as such. Otherwises mistakes have a habit of reccuring. No-one has said an apology was a panacea for all those issues, but it is a starting point. The problems can't be fixed without understanding what has happened in the past.

[BIG SEXY]

so you think if we leave them to their own devices they will get up on their own feet themselves?

[am Bays]

Mate, that's exactly the same attitude that led to the stolen generation in the first place. We know better than the Aborigines and should control what they do. Talk about bullplop.

It seems like a lot of the people affected did want an apology and for the wrongs done to be recognised and exposed as such. Otherwises mistakes have a habit of reccuring. No-one has said an apology was a panacea for all those issues, but it is a starting point. The problems can't be fixed without understanding what has happened in the past.

Spoken to many brothers and sisters have you??

Or did you read that in a book or the popular press....

Didn't know we had to wait for an apology to get more better health outcomes at Mutujulu, development programs to Papunya, educational programs reflective of aboriginal needs to Kintore....

Only two posters thoughts on this thread I rate, Wedgies and MrJBeams1981, the rest you are all talk and no action.

At least you feel better though after today and will sleep better tonight meanwhile some poor little indiginous kid will get the crap beaten out of him tonight at Wadeye due to gang violence.....

No stolen generation episodes up there as they are all full bloods....

And before you jump down my throat in indignation at least I've gone and lived up there and tried to make a difference rather than living comfortably in my "dingy little office" (apologies to the Banjo) tut tutting at what happened 50 years ago....

[JK]

Only two posters thoughts on this thread I rate, Wedgies and MrJBeams1981, the rest you are all talk and no action.

So what action are you suggesting we take?

[Dogwatcher]

And how do you know who is all talk and no action?

[therisingblues]

It reads to me like Mr Rudd should apologise to some contributors on this thread for not making it a fix all in one hit.
Gotta start somewhere people. Let's take it one step at a time.

[Dogwatcher]

Correct TRB

[BIG SEXY]

Mate, that's exactly the same attitude that led to the stolen generation in the first place. We know better than the Aborigines and should control what they do. Talk about bullplop.

It seems like a lot of the people affected did want an apology and for the wrongs done to be recognised and exposed as such. Otherwises mistakes have a habit of reccuring. No-one has said an apology was a panacea for all those issues, but it is a starting point. The problems can't be fixed without understanding what has happened in the past.

Spoken to many brothers and sisters have you??

Or did you read that in a book or the popular press....

Didn't know we had to wait for an apology to get more better health outcomes at Mutujulu, development programs to Papunya, educational programs reflective of aboriginal needs to Kintore....

Only two posters thoughts on this thread I rate, Wedgies and MrJBeams1981, the rest you are all talk and no action.

At least you feel better though after today and will sleep better tonight meanwhile some poor little indiginous kid will get the crap beaten out of him tonight at Wadeye due to gang violence.....

No stolen generation episodes up there as they are all full bloods....

And before you jump down my throat in indignation at least I've gone and lived up there and tried to make a difference rather than living comfortably in my "dingy little office" (apologies to the Banjo) tut tutting at what happened 50 years ago....

i agree, i dont believe sorry is really a practical step TRB, other things could be done to address issues today.
1980 i have done work with black fellas, not on health issues but with social issues as much as i can, i feel like its a drop in the ocean though.

[redden whites]

So now that we've said sorry, will the bashings in Port Lincoln streets now stop......

Martin Bryant,Julian Knight,Adelaide Bikies,Ivan Milat,Private School teenagers at Oakbank??
Pathetic effort WCP irrelevant link to the issue ......

[therisingblues]

Just about anything we try is going to be met with opposition somewhere. If we listen to just naysayers nothing will get done.
Can you tell me what harm was done by the apology?
I reckon it should have some benefits, mainly to do with people's dignity, which shouldn't be under rated in an emotional issue like this. Possibly the benefits are more far reaching than this, but I won't speculate on here.

[TroyGFC]

Now that sorry has been said and deservedly so, it's time to move forward and become one nation. Equal Australians- Abstudy to cease and auststudy for all.
Good to see Mal Fraser only ex-Liberal PM to be present.
As said before lets move on forwardly.

Has anyone received Rudd's true sorry via sms today, hilarious!!

[Andy #24]

so you think if we leave them to their own devices they will get up on their own feet themselves?

At the moment we've screwed up their culture so badly and created enough problems that they probably will need help. However, autonomy should be fundamental to any human and adopting a "do what I say" attitude with any group of people will always back fire.

[overloaded]

So now that we've said sorry, will the bashings in Port Lincoln streets now stop......

Martin Bryant,Julian Knight,Adelaide Bikies,Ivan Milat,Private School teenagers at Oakbank??
Pathetic effort WCP irrelevant link to the issue ......

you wouldnt be saying that if you lived in port lincoln

[Andy #24]

Mate, that's exactly the same attitude that led to the stolen generation in the first place. We know better than the Aborigines and should control what they do. Talk about bullplop.

It seems like a lot of the people affected did want an apology and for the wrongs done to be recognised and exposed as such. Otherwises mistakes have a habit of reccuring. No-one has said an apology was a panacea for all those issues, but it is a starting point. The problems can't be fixed without understanding what has happened in the past.

Spoken to many brothers and sisters have you??

Or did you read that in a book or the popular press....

Didn't know we had to wait for an apology to get more better health outcomes at Mutujulu, development programs to Papunya, educational programs reflective of aboriginal needs to Kintore....

Only two posters thoughts on this thread I rate, Wedgies and MrJBeams1981, the rest you are all talk and no action.

At least you feel better though after today and will sleep better tonight meanwhile some poor little indiginous kid will get the crap beaten out of him tonight at Wadeye due to gang violence.....

No stolen generation episodes up there as they are all full bloods....

And before you jump down my throat in indignation at least I've gone and lived up there and tried to make a difference rather than living comfortably in my "dingy little office" (apologies to the Banjo) tut tutting at what happened 50 years ago....

Aren't you a hero. Crapping on about other people who you don't even know. No-ones ever said we shouldn't help in other ways as well as apologising. I'm not sure what your rant is about. Are you saying an apology shouldn't have been made until your suggestions are implemented. I said the apology is not a panacea but may be a useful step.

I think that post was just an excuse for you to tell everyone that you know better.

[westcoastpanther]

While it may be irrelevant to the issue of why we're saying sorry (which I agree with, stolen generation was terrible on our govts behalf), it's not going to make them hate us any less. Which over here they do.

I can immediately think of at least 4 mates that have received broken jaws from a gang of about 30 15-18 year olds who hate anyone with white skin......this has been going on for the last 20 years over here.....

[redden whites]

you wouldnt be saying that if you lived in port lincoln