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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby mrjbeam1981 » Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:47 pm

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mick wrote:I stand corrected. :oops: I was never a fan of Redgum even though I attended the same PRIVATE school as John Schumann although we were there at the same time and he and I are about the same age I don't remember him, after all it was nearly 40 years ago. I knew a number of left leaning people in Alexander's seat (in his opposition days) who said even though they wouldn't vote for him, he did the right thing by his electorate and worked hard.

And John as a Democrat gave Alexander a bit of a scare one year! :shock:

As for DW's reference to the "plumb in his mouth", I know quite a few people who speak similarly, and it in not pretension. Alexander is a nice guy and not a "turd" at all.

One's accent tends to be shaped by that of the people around you - what you hear is educated Australian with some English influences because he studied there. My wife gave up teaching at Elizabeth fast because of the reverse snobbery based prejudice she met there, but had no problems at Balaklava, and then in a Catholic private school. She was raised in Queenstown.

People keep asking me if I'm English, and I grew up in Croydon and went to Woodville High. My mother is English and presumably had some effect on me.



as an Aboriginal man i have noticed my accent changing when i'm speaking with other Aboriginal people. interesting though my mother did have a Estelle Costanza moment (The Chinese Woman) when someone rang her up, for whatever reason my mother said she was Aboriginal to which the reply came "oh but you don't sound Aboriginal"...


by the way i read the bulletin and watch abc...;)
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Psyber » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:11 pm

mrjbeam1981 wrote: as an Aboriginal man i have noticed my accent changing when i'm speaking with other Aboriginal people. interesting though my mother did have a Estelle Costanza moment (The Chinese Woman) when someone rang her up, for whatever reason my mother said she was Aboriginal to which the reply came "oh but you don't sound Aboriginal"...

by the way i read the bulletin and watch abc...;)

Yes, as I get "but you don't sound Australian", both here and overseas. There are many ways "Australians" sound, as I assume there are many ways Aboriginals sound - have only met a few, but those in Melbourne sound like Melbournites, and a couple from the NT I've met don't.

Inverted snobbery gets up my nose. That's why I was supporting Alexander who gets picked on for how he sounds, and he is a really nice guy.

We read The Spectator and The Age, and listen to the ABC.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby CedeNullis » Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:24 pm

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our_longreach wrote:Kevin Rudd's reign as saviour of the Labor Party is almost over...

He has dug himself into a hole by lying about what happened in WA and the government will further expose this truth this week. Politically he is finished and all the hard work he has done in the last couple of months building his status and credibility is now a waste of time. Can't see him making it to the election. The Labor party need to win key marginal seats in WA to have any chance in the election. There will be turmoil again as they fight amongst themselves to get yet another leader, perhaps Gillard??

The Labor party will be back to the same old tricks.....


I remember reading our_longreach's erudite comments some time ago. The comments struck me as little pre-mature then and maybe a little hasty. History has shown this to be true. :wink:
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby redden whites » Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:55 pm

our_longreach wrote:Kevin Rudd's reign as saviour of the Labor Party is almost over...

He has dug himself into a hole by lying about what happened in WA and the government will further expose this truth this week. Politically he is finished and all the hard work he has done in the last couple of months building his status and credibility is now a waste of time. Can't see him making it to the election. The Labor party need to win key marginal seats in WA to have any chance in the election. There will be turmoil again as they fight amongst themselves to get yet another leader, perhaps Gillard??

The Labor party will be back to the same old tricks.....

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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby carey18 » Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:53 pm

our_longreach where are you? please come back and tell us all how bad Mr Rudd is. Well done Dogwatcher with this debate. Let the excuses start!
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby silicone skyline » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:14 am

our_longreach is now operating under the name "overloaded".
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby overloaded » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:07 am

Thanks SS....

Call me a goose or whatever you want, my views about Mr Rudd and the Labor party are unchanged. I believe that the election result is not only a disaster for the Liberal party, but for Australia itself. We will see a period of much higher interest rates - look at the immediate decreased AUD value for a start (any of you who know anything about economics will know what this means), the rollback on IR will cost this country a many billions of dollars and all the bullsht associated with climate change will cost jobs. All this with the four or five factions within the Labor party will cause havoc in this country which has experienced sustained economic growth - not to mention the impact that reaxed union regulations will have on small business.

All that aside Australians have spoken chosen their preferred government whether I agree or not and for those of you that voted Labor, I can only say, those that live by the sword, shall die by the sword. Lets see how much you like Mr Rudd in 12 months.
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Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:03 am

our_longreach wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:Why do you say that?

Peter Costello hasn't exactly made a good fist of it so far has he...

The Government are unlikely to lose the next election (even more unlikely given the crisis the Labor party now faces). Kevin Rudd will do well to retain his leadership of the Labor party, let alone defeat the Prime Minister.

It is inevitable that the Government's succession plan will involve Costello taking over from Howard at some stage after they win the next election.


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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Psyber » Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:15 pm

In the last few weeks we have a Labor front-bencher suggesting the promised tax cuts be scrapped just like the "L.A.W. LAW" ones under Paul Keating, and there is speculation that negative gearing may go. Accountants are already expecting the previous government's superannuation provisions, aimed at reducing future pension costs to the public, to be wound back too.

Now, I did not pay a lot of attention to the exact promises of either party last year because I wasn't impressed with either, but I understood Kev07 promised not to reverse most of these, and even said "Me too." Were they non-core promises??

Under a previous Labor government I believe from memory - and feel free to correct me if I am wrong - that negative gearing was scrapped and then reinstated when a rental accommodation shortage developed. [No, I am not personally involved in negative gearing.]
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Psyber » Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:33 pm

Mr Rudd made it clear he has some personal sympathy with their views, agreeing that automatic teller machines (ATMs) in poker machine venues are wrong.

Wow, agreeing with a Labor PM. Whatever is happening to me.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Rushby Hinds » Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:58 pm

overloaded wrote:Thanks SS....

Call me a goose or whatever you want, ............ look at the immediate decreased AUD value for a start (any of you who know anything about economics will know what this means)...........


Yes, it means that our exporters are better off/more competitive....
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Psyber » Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:38 pm

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overloaded wrote:Thanks SS....

Call me a goose or whatever you want, ............ look at the immediate decreased AUD value for a start (any of you who know anything about economics will know what this means)...........

Yes, it means that our exporters are better off/more competitive....

But our imported goods like cars, clothing, and food will get more expensive now we have run most of our producers of them out of town. So the big end of town like mining will be OK, but it will show in the supermarket and Target!
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Re: Mr Rudd & Healthcare changes

Postby Psyber » Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:23 pm

a GP on a health forum wrote:Krudd & Rocks-on are going to screw general practice, so it seems.

1. patient "agents" to organise care of the chronically ill by co-ordinating services according to (read - take over) the management plan drawn up by the GP; & the divisions will hold the 'brokerage' funds per patient to access the services of the management plan

2. Nurse practitioners (in aged care facilities) to have direct access to the PBS & MBS

3.Pharmacists to be able to "dispense" medical sick certificates

4.Pathology testing has soared - now being considered is the requirement of an alert in prescribing software to question about whether the test being ordered was clinically appropriate

5. Limited MRI ordering that was to happen under the previous Govt is being reviewed.

A recent interpretation I found of changes to the health system coming up. I don't have direct information, so I don't know how accurate it is.

It raises interesting questions about clerical bureaucrats managing the treatment, nurses prescibing and charging services under Medicare so you don't "need" to see a more expensive [to the government] doctor, going to the Pharmacist for a "sickie" which I expect they won't want to do for free for long, and limiting GP's capacity to order blood tests etc. At present only specialists can order MRI scanning.

Any opinions?

My immediate concern is that those who can pay will see a doctor, and those who can't, and may have been bulk-billed by a doctor, may be treated more cheaply by a nurse and an administrator and seen by a doctor annually to renew the "Care Plan", or in between at the discretion of the other two. I wonder what this means to second opinions? Granny in the Nursng Home will presumably fall into this group, unless she is wealthy..
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Rushby Hinds » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:16 pm

Psyber wrote:
Rushby Hinds wrote:
overloaded wrote:Thanks SS....

Call me a goose or whatever you want, ............ look at the immediate decreased AUD value for a start (any of you who know anything about economics will know what this means)...........

Yes, it means that our exporters are better off/more competitive....

But our imported goods like cars, clothing, and food will get more expensive now we have run most of our producers of them out of town. So the big end of town like mining will be OK, but it will show in the supermarket and Target!




.....and the Aussie farmers are more competitive when exporting, etc etc.


Come on mate, don't try and bluff people that you know everything about everything, and more importantly that everything is either good or bad.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Psyber » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:33 pm

Rushby Hinds wrote:
Psyber wrote:
Rushby Hinds wrote:
overloaded wrote:Thanks SS....

Call me a goose or whatever you want, ............ look at the immediate decreased AUD value for a start (any of you who know anything about economics will know what this means)...........

Yes, it means that our exporters are better off/more competitive....

But our imported goods like cars, clothing, and food will get more expensive now we have run most of our producers of them out of town. So the big end of town like mining will be OK, but it will show in the supermarket and Target!

.....and the Aussie farmers are more competitive when exporting, etc etc.

Come on mate, don't try and bluff people that you know everything about everything, and more importantly that everything is either good or bad.

I didn't know I was doing that, sonny, I thought I was just balancing the slant you offered, by presenting the other side of the equation. But I'm sure you know better! :lol:

Or is it that you didn't want an alternative view mentioned for some reason....
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby bulldogproud » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:02 am

Sorry, but what is this about a decreasing (depreciating) Australian dollar?? It is at a higher rate now than it has been for a long time. Also as for blaming the Labor Party for the February interest rate rise, pretty tough seeing that parliament did not sit for the first time since the election until after the rate rise!!
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Psyber » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:10 pm

bulldogproud wrote:Sorry, but what is this about a decreasing (depreciating) Australian dollar?? It is at a higher rate now than it has been for a long time. Also as for blaming the Labor Party for the February interest rate rise, pretty tough seeing that parliament did not sit for the first time since the election until after the rate rise!!
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Agreed - I don't think thr new government can be blamed for the recent rate rises - they haven't had time to do anything!
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Dog_ger » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:27 pm

This is a democracy.

Lets get behind him.

I never voted for him.

But being a democracy I back him.

Go Rudd. Improve the situation.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby GWW » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:28 pm

Psyber wrote:The guy can't help that his grandfather was an SA Premier and his father a minister in the Menzies government. He still had to pass his university degree at Newcastle on Tyne. He lived in a log house in Bridgewater when I knew him.



He can help it though that he failed to attend parliament as his obligation as an MP. His petulant rambling and excuses for not doing so don't paint him in a good light, would you not agree Psyber?
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Psyber » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:03 am

GWW wrote:
Psyber wrote:The guy can't help that his grandfather was an SA Premier and his father a minister in the Menzies government. He still had to pass his university degree at Newcastle on Tyne. He lived in a log house in Bridgewater when I knew him.

He can help it though that he failed to attend parliament as his obligation as an MP. His petulant rambling and excuses for not doing so don't paint him in a good light, would you not agree Psyber?

I haven't been paying much attention to politics lately as I have been busy, so I hadn't come across this.
When was it? In what context?
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