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Postby doggies4eva » Tue May 02, 2006 3:49 pm

topsywaldron wrote:Am I the only one here who thinks that CDFC fans have got a long season ahead of them if they're relying on the Cochranes to wrest them out of the mire? Solid players granted but hardly the types to dominate a game.


Topsy, while the Cochranes would have been handy not having our regular FF or CHF has posed the greatest difficulty. Note with Schell back we have a convincing win and when Cowan gets back it releases a good tall to either a pocket or the backlines - our team starts to look a lot more formidable, particlarly with many of the young blokes and recruits starting to fit into the team. We'll see how far Norf have improved this week, but I still see the doggies a strong chnace for the finals.
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Postby dogs01 » Tue May 02, 2006 4:41 pm

I want to know what greater credentials Alleway has over Cowan.Cowan has played in 3premierships(league) 1premiership(reserves-Kicked 6 goals andB.O.G),state CHF last year.All this in the best competition outside the AFL.
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Postby sus » Tue May 02, 2006 5:11 pm

dogs01 wrote:I want to know what greater credentials Alleway has over Cowan.Cowan has played in 3premierships(league) 1premiership(reserves-Kicked 6 goals andB.O.G),state CHF last year.All this in the best competition outside the AFL.


Isn't it obvious? Alleway is better because he plays for North Adelaide. Simple!! :wink: :wink:
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Postby Wedgie » Tue May 02, 2006 5:14 pm

Without getting into childish taunts like have been going on (which I'd expect more on other sites) Alleway by educated footy people is/was rated a better player than Gill, that's a fact, that's not heresay. Now considering Gill was runner up in the Magarey last year and is having a better year this year, you do the Maths.
On the other hand, some North fans are wondering if Alleway really exists, I've never seen him on the field! :lol:

And enough with the premiership analogy, that's usually a poor and childish back up of any argument. Using that logic Paul Rees was a better basketball than Andrew Gaze and that's in a sport where there's 5 on the field of play as opposed to 18!

You'd have to convince most Central fan's I know that Cowans can play before you starting working on fans of the rest of the comp!!

On the injury list, I'd say the 4 full days break between games for North will be a bigger factor than the injury factor. Don't take into account just how many injuries when trying to discuss the point maturely, also take into account where those injuries are and what sort of replacements are ready made for those spots too.
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Postby doggies4eva » Tue May 02, 2006 5:20 pm

Looking at the injury lists I would say that The Eagles have been hardest hit so far. I don't know what the point is arguing that player X who plays for us is a better player than player Y who plays for you. Every team gets injuries but when you get lots of the same sort of player out of a squad it affects the balance of the team. Given North's reserves, U19 and U17 results I would say that they are covering their losses better than anyone at the moment.
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Postby Wedgie » Tue May 02, 2006 5:24 pm

I agree fully about the Eagles having been struck hardest early in the year by injuries. One of the reasons I refuse to write them off from a premiership tilt.

Glenelg and Norwood (except for Bassett) have been very lucky early on too.
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Postby topsywaldron » Tue May 02, 2006 6:22 pm

A shame for Norwood that the injury to Bassett hurt us where we can least afford it, big defenders. If I had to pick three players who I'd like to see play every game he'd be one of them.
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Postby - » Tue May 02, 2006 6:40 pm

doggies4eva wrote:
topsywaldron wrote:Am I the only one here who thinks that CDFC fans have got a long season ahead of them if they're relying on the Cochranes to wrest them out of the mire? Solid players granted but hardly the types to dominate a game.


Topsy, while the Cochranes would have been handy not having our regular FF or CHF has posed the greatest difficulty. Note with Schell back we have a convincing win and when Cowan gets back it releases a good tall to either a pocket or the backlines - our team starts to look a lot more formidable, particlarly with many of the young blokes and recruits starting to fit into the team. We'll see how far Norf have improved this week, but I still see the doggies a strong chnace for the finals.


Doggies are bloody certainty for finals. They are the 3rd most certain in the comp 4 mine
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Postby - » Tue May 02, 2006 6:43 pm

Wedgie wrote:I agree fully about the Eagles having been struck hardest early in the year by injuries. One of the reasons I refuse to write them off from a premiership tilt.

Glenelg and Norwood (except for Bassett) have been very lucky early on too.


Eagles are no chance in my humblest of opinions but I think they are the 4th most certain team to play finals.
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Postby - » Tue May 02, 2006 6:45 pm

dogs01 wrote:I want to know what greater credentials Alleway has over Cowan.Cowan has played in 3premierships(league) 1premiership(reserves-Kicked 6 goals andB.O.G),state CHF last year.All this in the best competition outside the AFL.


Come on mate. Anyone in the know in the football world knows Alleway has a higher market value than Cowans despite the fact he hasn't proven himself at SANFL yet. This is in no way putting Cowans down. Any way its really a pointless argument that we shouldn't even be bothering with so lets end it.
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Postby Mickyj » Tue May 02, 2006 6:49 pm

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Wedgie wrote:I agree fully about the Eagles having been struck hardest early in the year by injuries. One of the reasons I refuse to write them off from a premiership tilt.

Glenelg and Norwood (except for Bassett) have been very lucky early on too.


Eagles are no chance in my humblest of opinions but I think they are the 4th most certain team to play finals.


Hey thats all the chances we need once we make finals its a whole different ball game !!
and If those 11 players comeback to the league team say in 2 weeks watch a different eagles side .
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Postby Aerie » Tue May 02, 2006 9:16 pm

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Wedgie wrote:I agree fully about the Eagles having been struck hardest early in the year by injuries. One of the reasons I refuse to write them off from a premiership tilt.

Glenelg and Norwood (except for Bassett) have been very lucky early on too.


Eagles are no chance in my humblest of opinions but I think they are the 4th most certain team to play finals.


I would like to read your humble opinion on why the Eagles are no chance? Not saying that you're right or wrong.
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Postby am Bays » Tue May 02, 2006 10:40 pm

Wedgie wrote:I agree fully about the Eagles having been struck hardest early in the year by injuries. One of the reasons I refuse to write them off from a premiership tilt.

Glenelg and Norwood (except for Bassett) have been very lucky early on too.


As an ex-fitness and rehab coach at a SANFL league level nothing sh!ts me more than people and clubs saying that they are unlucky with injuries or other clubs are lucky. In this day and age of athlete physical development there is a plethora of information on the appropriate conditioning to minimise the prevailence of such injuries. Soft tissue injuries such as hamstrings, groins, calfs quad strains are largely preventable through well planned strength and conditioning programs, pre-habilitation programs and rehab programs once an injury has occured to prevent re-injury.

Players get injured when they are unfit, don't do the appropriate flexibility training (and I don't mean 10 mins of stretching at the end of a match/training), have poor core strength or are lazy with their adherence to their appropriate conditioning program.

If clubs are get repeated groins and hamstring injuries they need to have a good hard look at what they are doing and the medical history of players they are recruiting.

Fractures and sprains are more "unfortunate" and are harder to condition against as external factors play are larger role in their aetiology compared to strain injuries.

FWIW there was nothing flukey about the Crows run of non-injuries last year, it will be interesting to see how this year averages out.

My experience is that clubs average about 5-6 players unavailable each week, anymore than that over a long period of time their fitness and medical departments need to have a good hard look at themselves or the mental capacity of their players.
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Postby sydney-dog » Tue May 02, 2006 10:55 pm

For **** sake, all I hear about is Alleway's market value and how he is rated, market value means f#@k all unless you can get on the park and put performances on the board, to this stage I have not met a footballer who can kick, mark and kick goals from the grand stand........

Until he gets on the park and puts some performances on the board at this level he is nothing more then a high profile recruit with big wraps and we all know we have seen plenty of them before
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Postby - » Tue May 02, 2006 11:28 pm

sydney-dog wrote:For **** sake, all I hear about is Alleway's market value and how he is rated, market value means f#@k all unless you can get on the park and put performances on the board, to this stage I have not met a footballer who can kick, mark and kick goals from the grand stand........

Until he gets on the park and puts some performances on the board at this level he is nothing more then a high profile recruit with big wraps and we all know we have seen plenty of them before


The point is that he is a huge out. I think his credentials suggest he deserves to rated slightly higher than a high profile recruit who hasnt shown anything yet.
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Postby - » Tue May 02, 2006 11:30 pm

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Wedgie wrote:I agree fully about the Eagles having been struck hardest early in the year by injuries. One of the reasons I refuse to write them off from a premiership tilt.

Glenelg and Norwood (except for Bassett) have been very lucky early on too.


Eagles are no chance in my humblest of opinions but I think they are the 4th most certain team to play finals.


I would like to read your humble opinion on why the Eagles are no chance? Not saying that you're right or wrong.


I dont think they are capable of winning it mentally. I dont think they have the cattle. Watts and Stokes out from the North Final and the result is reversed. I dont think Grocke and Oakley are good enough to be key forwards in a premiership team.
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Postby Aerie » Wed May 03, 2006 2:18 am

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Wedgie wrote:I agree fully about the Eagles having been struck hardest early in the year by injuries. One of the reasons I refuse to write them off from a premiership tilt.

Glenelg and Norwood (except for Bassett) have been very lucky early on too.


Eagles are no chance in my humblest of opinions but I think they are the 4th most certain team to play finals.


I would like to read your humble opinion on why the Eagles are no chance? Not saying that you're right or wrong.


I dont think they are capable of winning it mentally. I dont think they have the cattle. Watts and Stokes out from the North Final and the result is reversed. I dont think Grocke and Oakley are good enough to be key forwards in a premiership team.


Fair enough. I don't think mentally we are at any disadvantage compared to a Port or North and Central have lost a number of irreplaceable players. We have beaten North many times without Watts and Stokes having an impact on the game, so that argument is flawed. Not to mention the recruits added to the side. Passador is our key forward and he needs to step up in a Grand Final. Oakley and Grocke have shown so far to be good enough in support roles and in Inkster, Rugolo, Vince etc. we probably have the best small forwards in the league.

Of course, there is a long way to the GF or to even make the finals for that matter and at this stage the Eagles would have to be rated with the rest of the pack behind Port and North. I hope you are wrong, but interested to read opposition thoughts! :wink:
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Postby Jimmy » Wed May 03, 2006 7:25 am

sydney-dog wrote:For **** sake, all I hear about is Alleway's market value and how he is rated, market value means f#@k all unless you can get on the park and put performances on the board, to this stage I have not met a footballer who can kick, mark and kick goals from the grand stand........

Until he gets on the park and puts some performances on the board at this level he is nothing more then a high profile recruit with big wraps and we all know we have seen plenty of them before


good post and that is the exact same thing you would hear if the arguments were reversed...

same with OKeefe from sturt...he has done ******* nothing this year after a limited preseason which we at sturt knew was going to be bad news...and guess what...he is struggling to get a kick and cope with the level of SANFL...but, he was rated so highly and won 2 flags with sandy...means jackshit when you change leagues...you all start at zero.
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Postby - » Wed May 03, 2006 9:56 am

Jimmy wrote:
sydney-dog wrote:For **** sake, all I hear about is Alleway's market value and how he is rated, market value means f#@k all unless you can get on the park and put performances on the board, to this stage I have not met a footballer who can kick, mark and kick goals from the grand stand........

Until he gets on the park and puts some performances on the board at this level he is nothing more then a high profile recruit with big wraps and we all know we have seen plenty of them before


good post and that is the exact same thing you would hear if the arguments were reversed...

same with OKeefe from sturt...he has done ******* nothing this year after a limited preseason which we at sturt knew was going to be bad news...and guess what...he is struggling to get a kick and cope with the level of SANFL...but, he was rated so highly and won 2 flags with sandy...means jackshit when you change leagues...you all start at zero.


Box Hill captain and Victorian sate centre half forward means the guy can play.
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Postby doggies4eva » Wed May 03, 2006 9:57 am

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dogs01 wrote:I want to know what greater credentials Alleway has over Cowan.Cowan has played in 3premierships(league) 1premiership(reserves-Kicked 6 goals andB.O.G),state CHF last year.All this in the best competition outside the AFL.


Come on mate. Anyone in the know in the football world knows Alleway has a higher market value than Cowans despite the fact he hasn't proven himself at SANFL yet. This is in no way putting Cowans down. Any way its really a pointless argument that we shouldn't even be bothering with so lets end it.


Premierships are not won on the market value of players. What Cowans did in the GF went a long way to adding to the trophy cabinet last year. He is a proven big game player.
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