Paid Paternity Leave

[Leaping Lindner]

Calm down lads.......I checked just as the sun went down and the sky was not falling .

We went out to have dinner tonight "el fresco" as it were and it rained . Bloody Rudd. When he is going to wake up to himself.

The PM and all the Premiers are praying for rain - and they are all Labor now so God listens!

It never rained under Howard! Some called it nice weather others a drought. Depends if you are a glass half full or glass half empty type of person.

[Dogwatcher]

Ahh... the march of the loony left starts already!

I'm sure you would've said the same had Labor introduced the first home owners grant......

[The Big Shrek]

Personally, I don't think we should fund IVF for anybody. If you have a physiological problem that means you can't breed naturally, should you be helped to have children who may have the same problem and need IVF too???

I'm guessing through the lack of journal references which you are so fond of that the above is a very loose assertion.

Only the rich deserve to have children, don't they Psyber. That way we can develop a population of McCallen(or whatever that drink is you keep crapping on about) sipping, german car driving friends of Alexander Downer.

[Psyber]

Personally, I don't think we should fund IVF for anybody. If you have a physiological problem that means you can't breed naturally, should you be helped to have children who may have the same problem and need IVF too???

I'm guessing through the lack of journal references which you are so fond of that the above is a very loose assertion.

Only the rich deserve to have children, don't they Psyber. That way we can develop a population of McCallen(or whatever that drink is you keep crapping on about) sipping, german car driving friends of Alexander Downer.

Note the MAY - I didn't state it was proven. If I had I would have backed it up, and no doubt have been criticised for laying it on so thick!
Certainly many medical conditions do have genetic prediposition.

My argument against IVF is based on huge cost to the community, world overpopulation and its effects, and local conditions like Australia outstripping its water supply and delivery capacity. The money could be better spent on basic Dental and health services, education etc.

[The Big Shrek]

Personally, I don't think we should fund IVF for anybody. If you have a physiological problem that means you can't breed naturally, should you be helped to have children who may have the same problem and need IVF too???

I'm guessing through the lack of journal references which you are so fond of that the above is a very loose assertion.

Only the rich deserve to have children, don't they Psyber. That way we can develop a population of McCallen(or whatever that drink is you keep crapping on about) sipping, german car driving friends of Alexander Downer.

Note the MAY - I didn't state it was proven. If I had I would have backed it up, and no doubt have been criticised for laying it on so thick!
Certainly many medical conditions do have genetic prediposition.

My argument against IVF is based on huge cost to the community, world overpopulation and its effects, and local conditions like Australia outstripping its water supply and delivery capacity. The money could be better spent on basic Dental and health services, education etc.

That's not what you said at all. You distinguished between breeding naturally and using assisted reproductive technology. Apparently people who have a problem conceiving naturally have less of a right to have children than people who can't. Your arguement applies equally to both forms of reproduction.

[Psyber]

Personally, I don't think we should fund IVF for anybody. If you have a physiological problem that means you can't breed naturally, should you be helped to have children who may have the same problem and need IVF too???

I'm guessing through the lack of journal references which you are so fond of that the above is a very loose assertion.

Only the rich deserve to have children, don't they Psyber. That way we can develop a population of McCallen(or whatever that drink is you keep crapping on about) sipping, german car driving friends of Alexander Downer.

Note the MAY - I didn't state it was proven. If I had I would have backed it up, and no doubt have been criticised for laying it on so thick!
Certainly many medical conditions do have genetic prediposition.

My argument against IVF is based on huge cost to the community, world overpopulation and its effects, and local conditions like Australia outstripping its water supply and delivery capacity. The money could be better spent on basic Dental and health services, education etc.

That's not what you said at all. You distinguished between breeding naturally and using assisted reproductive technology. Apparently people who have a problem conceiving naturally have less of a right to have children than people who can't. Your arguement applies equally to both forms of reproduction.

All people have equal rights to choose to have children, or to be responsible in world terms and choose not to, but they are responsible for the cost of it themselves. They do not have a right to ask the community through the tax system to to pay enormous amounts of money to assist a minority to do the almost impossible if they are infertile, and have the option of adoption.

I do not think tax money should be spent on a hugely expensive set of procedures for a relative few, while it is not provided for basic health and basic dental care, which is neglected and a source of chronic ill health.