Binge drinking... its not the kids

[LBT]

From what i have seen over the years working in the industry i can acknowledge that a lot of young people drink to excess. However the people in the age group 30 to 50 appear to be just as bad. Blokes who come through and buy 5 30 packs of beer a week and women who buy 2-3 bottles of wine every night are hardly setting a good example for their children/teenagers, should they have any. Cask wine is another issue, 40+ standard drinks for $10-12 is rediculous, and despite popular belief 95% of these are purchased by people aged 30+.
Thoughts anyone?

[Dog_ger]

I am over 50.

Buy 2 casks at least a fortnight.

Maybe more...?

Love Woody Golds....

The price has made them un attractive.

I only drink at home...

[LBT]

I am over 50.

Buy 2 casks at least a fortnight.

Maybe more...?

Love Woody Golds....

The price has made them un attractive.

I only drink at home...

Woody Gold 10 pack $45!!!
At least its not a cask a night

[Psyber]

I'd agree, it is not just the kids.

Dangerous levels of drinking are common in all age groups, in many societies including ours. I think we are starting to go over the top about "maximum" recommended drinking levels. The literature I have read supports the 4 standard drinks in 24 hours for the average man, and a little less for women, as the safe level before risking neurone loss, but to be accurate for an individual you have to assess body mass and liver enzyme capacity. Suggesting an even lower level now does not seem to be adequately backed up by the studies I have seen.

I've come across only a couple of acceptable [just] cask wines. They are cheap because they are fairly poor quality, but I agree they are very cheap if we are worrying about alcohol abuse and addiction, and wanting to use price to control it. Before them the cheap drunks preference was a flagon port or sherry, and later a mix called "Brandivino" - mediocre brandy mixed into mediocre wine.

[tigersupporter]

Aahhh the Brandivino...I remember it well . But seriously, binge drinking is nothing new. It has been around as long as Alcohol itself.

[Booney]

Chateau Collapso...

[Dogwatcher]

I know it's not.

Me on weekend amp;

[Dirko]

Binge Drinking !! ha

A federal minister who I know used to be the biggest binge drinker in the state's history !!

Now their Government is taking action !!

The new classification of 4 drinks as being "binge", wow ! That's only a bottle of red over dinner !

[Psyber]

Binge Drinking !! ha
A federal minister, whom I know, used to be the biggest binge drinker in the state's history !!
Now their Government is taking action !!
The new classification of 4 drinks as being "binge", wow ! That's only a bottle of red over dinner !

And one PM was in and out of a Melbourne private hospital to dry out periodically while he was PM.

An acquaintance of mine, who had never been drunk to my knowledge, was really upset when the .05 legislation superceded .08 in SA.
"It's uncivilised. That means you can't serve the proper wine with each course at dinner!"

[CENTURION]

Someone should jump on the bandwagon & bring out a drink called "Binge"!

[Mickyj]

This is a very touchy subject .
As a person who has been a non Drinker for many many years. I find telling people that I am a non drinker a very hard thing its like your a leper.
The problem with Australia it is the norm for people to get drunk most nights .Now before I get shot down in flames I am not a Woyser .People want to drink etc not a worry.
What I have a problem with is going to work and having to work with people who are still under the influence and driving forklifts etc .And Bosses that send these people home due to illness.Or if you like to drink drive their way home.Or phoning "sick" the day after their birthday when everyone knows they are sleeping off from the night before.
Then when they return to work the next day they brag about the amount they DRANK!!And yes they are in the above age group.

Australia what a lucky country !!!

[JAS]

This is a very touchy subject .
As a person who has been a non Drinker for many many years. I find telling people that I am a non drinker a very hard thing its like your a leper.
The problem with Australia it is the norm for people to get drunk most nights .Now before I get shot down in flames I am not a Woyser .People want to drink etc not a worry.
What I have a problem with is going to work and having to work with people who are still under the influence and driving forklifts etc .And Bosses that send these people home due to illness.Or if you like to drink drive their way home.Or phoning "sick" the day after their birthday when everyone knows they are sleeping off from the night before.
Then when they return to work the next day they brag about the amount they DRANK!!And yes they are in the above age group.

Australia what a lucky country !!!

Micky I can assure you it's not just Australia. The Scottish Parliament put out a media release just yesterday outlining their latest proposal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7455391.stm

I don't think it has a cat-in-hell's chance of working but then sadly I don't think anything will. If they want booze they'll find ways of getting it and there's always adults willing to help them too. Often when they have a clamp down and arrest a crowd of under-age bingers there's some 40+ DH listed in the news report too.

Regards
JAS

[Mickyj]

This is a very touchy subject .
As a person who has been a non Drinker for many many years. I find telling people that I am a non drinker a very hard thing its like your a leper.
The problem with Australia it is the norm for people to get drunk most nights .Now before I get shot down in flames I am not a Woyser .People want to drink etc not a worry.
What I have a problem with is going to work and having to work with people who are still under the influence and driving forklifts etc .And Bosses that send these people home due to illness.Or if you like to drink drive their way home.Or phoning "sick" the day after their birthday when everyone knows they are sleeping off from the night before.
Then when they return to work the next day they brag about the amount they DRANK!!And yes they are in the above age group.

Australia what a lucky country !!!

Micky I can assure you it's not just Australia. The Scottish Parliament put out a media release just yesterday outlining their latest proposal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7455391.stm

I don't think it has a cat-in-hell's chance of working but then sadly I don't think anything will. If they want booze they'll find ways of getting it and there's always adults willing to help them too. Often when they have a clamp down and arrest a crowd of under-age bingers there's some 40+ DH listed in the news report too.

Regards
JAS

Yes Jas I agree .
I broke up an under age drinking party next door to me a few months back.Didn't mean to but the neighbours were away and friends of their eldest teenager all came over for a pool and doors slamming lights shinning yelling screaming Party .
Their biggest mistake was having it in my bedroom window .When i yelled out how about I have a party in your parents bedroom window ,they all went home .
Except for one poor sole who arrived at 2 am yelling where was f*** everyone.
And while typing this a very freaky thing happened I just answered a survey on the phone re binge drinking.
Jurno's watching SAFOOTY seems focus groups are now as well

[JAS]

And while typing this a very freaky thing happened I just answered a survey on the phone re binge drinking.
Jurno's watching SAFOOTY seems focus groups are now as well

Whoa even more spooky that they know where to find you

Must admit I think laying the responability on the governments doorstep, as seems to happen so often these days, is a cop out. Parents and places that sell alcohol must help take control of the problem too and the media that makes heroes out of people like that Pete Doherty idiot. I think one big problem we have here is that all supermarkets sell booze and therefore can afford to have the most unbelievable special offers and deals on the really cheapest stuff and what we call alco-pops (think you call them lolli-water)....hmmmmm wonder who that would be aimed at

I think every generation has had it's bingers. I'm no angel...in the past I've got p*ssed plenty of Friday nights...but we went to a pub/club, got drunk, went home...wasn't when I was 14/15 and wasn't in the same sort of gang culture that we now have along with the knives and guns. Trouble is it's an entire culture that needs to change...not just a little bit of it. Ban drink and they'll just find something else to replace it. Only wish I knew what the answer is

There goes Mondays rant.
Regards
JAS

[Mickyj]

And while typing this a very freaky thing happened I just answered a survey on the phone re binge drinking.
Jurno's watching SAFOOTY seems focus groups are now as well

Whoa even more spooky that they know where to find you

Must admit I think laying the responability on the governments doorstep, as seems to happen so often these days, is a cop out. Parents and places that sell alcohol must help take control of the problem too and the media that makes heroes out of people like that Pete Doherty idiot. I think one big problem we have here is that all supermarkets sell booze and therefore can afford to have the most unbelievable special offers and deals on the really cheapest stuff and what we call alco-pops (think you call them lolli-water)....hmmmmm wonder who that would be aimed at

I think every generation has had it's bingers. I'm no angel...in the past I've got p*ssed plenty of Friday nights...but we went to a pub/club, got drunk, went home...wasn't when I was 14/15 and wasn't in the same sort of gang culture that we now have along with the knives and guns. Trouble is it's an entire culture that needs to change...not just a little bit of it. Ban drink and they'll just find something else to replace it. Only wish I knew what the answer is

There goes Mondays rant.
Regards
JAS

Dont worry JAS I was no angel myself .Seem to remember a footbridge and nearly falling from a great height one night on my way home.
That was one question I was asked who is responsible the company was leaning towards the government I said the community as a whole is .

[Psyber]

Parental example is important as well as the availability in outlets. When I had a daughter at Seymour College in Adelaide one particular girl's parents used to give their 15 year old daughter, and any friends who visited, free access to theire booze, and at another stage promised the Head Mistress they would be supervising a planned party, but in fact were not going to be home. I didn't make myself popular by telling the Head, but several years later the daughter spontaneously said I had been right to do so.

The other factor is the fact that to save policing costs there has been increasing tolerance of various delinquent behaviours. The emphasis is on policing that makes profits, rather than that which preserves quality of life. Once upon a time, in the distant past, you could be arrested for abusive language and/or public drunkeness, and, for example, Fev would have gone to gaol for a few days for his episode.

I suspect we need a multi-pronged approach. Education, restrict availability, reduce opening hours so people stop drinking earlier in the night and have more chance of functioning next day, police the providing of alcohol to minors, and reduce tolerance for public delinquency. If it is in front of them one generation copies [or outdoes] the previous one.

[And I'll join Mickyj in self-defence and remind those who have called me a wowser in the past that I do drink, even Arak with a tribe of Dyak head-hunters in Borneo on one occasion, just not enough to be totally out of it.]

[Snaggletooth Tiger]

Aahhh the Brandivino...I remember it well

The old 'Five Buck Chuck' eh?...
Fair dinkum, I don't think that poison's changed in price for two decades eh!

[Psyber]

Aahhh the Brandivino...I remember it well

The old 'Five Buck Chuck' eh?...
Fair dinkum, I don't think that poison's changed in price for two decades eh!

It was dreadful stuff and overpriced originally - bitter wine residuals mixed with poorly made Brandy,
That's why it made people chuck. I tasted it once out of curiosity.

[stampy]

if you want to see public drunkenness on display just go to oakbank, an absolute bloody disgrace after 2pm on both days. and sweet FA is done about it. i sent an email to the oakbank racing club asking what measures would be taken to control the problem the week leading up to easter this year and got no response, and i love me pi$$ by the way, but when the wife (who doesnt drink) is too uncomfortalbe walking to the toilets without an escort - its just not good enough. the same thing was a problem at tanunda at a day on the green concert back in november, we have bred a society of adolescents who just dont give a shit about anyone else but themselves who think they can do and get away with anything with a total lack of regard for the rest of the human race........and the females are a hell lot worse than the males.

[Pseudo]

Aahhh the Brandivino...I remember it well

The old 'Five Buck Chuck' eh?...
Fair dinkum, I don't think that poison's changed in price for two decades eh!

How did it compare to the old Fruity Lexia?