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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby Waterboy » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:45 am

shoe boy wrote:After last nights phone calls I can tell you that Edwardstown WILL play in the SFL in 09 with A/B/18 and possibly 16!!


SFL has called a Special General Meeting with the Application of the Edwardstown Football Club to join the SFL for the 2009 season on the agenda.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby Esteban Vihaio » Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:45 pm

Waterboy wrote:
shoe boy wrote:After last nights phone calls I can tell you that Edwardstown WILL play in the SFL in 09 with A/B/18 and possibly 16!!


SFL has called a Special General Meeting with the Application of the Edwardstown Football Club to join the SFL for the 2009 season on the agenda.


Assuming this all goes ahead, any brave predictions on where they will finish 2009 given the possibilities of player departures versus potential increase player budget (given smaller affiliation fees)? I seem remember to remember the bombers first SFL coach watched the SFL Grand Final the year prior their entrance and predicted they'd storm the league (next season); If my memory serves me well, I don't think they made the five? However, I predict townies will finish 3rd in 09?
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby LaughingKookaburra » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:17 pm

Current squad 3rd would be a dissapointment I would say, they were only a couple of kicks from going to div 1. Big difference was that Brighton were a top 4 side in div 4 not a top 3 side in div 2 and we all know the difference between SAAFL div 4 to div 2 is quite substantual.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby Esteban Vihaio » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:28 pm

LaughingKookaburra wrote:Current squad 3rd would be a dissapointment I would say, they were only a couple of kicks from going to div 1. Big difference was that Brighton were a top 4 side in div 4 not a top 3 side in div 2 and we all know the difference between SAAFL div 4 to div 2 is quite substantual.


I agree 3rd would be a disappointment.... I almost put 2nd, but I believe it will take a year to adjust the SFL before making the GF and probably winning in '10.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby Down the Hill » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:17 pm

Laughing Kookaburra, your Brighton facts are pretty average. Here are the real facts. The Brighton Bombers were in A1 from 1993-1995 after being A3 Premiers in 1991 (the year of the merge between Brighton and BHOS) and A2 Runners-Up in 1992. In A1 we were 6th in both 1993 and 1994 and then came 2nd bottom in 1995, which would have meant relegation to A2. But then SAAFL introduced that crazy M1, M2 and M3 for the clubs who elected to openly pay players and A1, A2, A3 etc for the Amateur clubs. We remained Amateur (thats right we never paid a cent back then) and went into A1 in 1996 with alot of the stronger old scholar sides and a few others. We finished 5th (final 4 in those days). It was essentially close to what A2 would have been if no change. We started becoming disillusioned with SAAFL when all this happened and had our juniors already playing SFL so we fully joined SFL in 1997. We thought we would do VERY well when we entered SFL but lost several players on the eve of season and ended up 7-11 in our first year in about 7th or 8th spot. I think there were 12 teams with a final 5 back then. The fact we also fielded teams in Div 2 & Div 2R SFL was good to give all our players a game on the preferred Saturday but actually stuffed us around a bit internally. Its fair to say we did underestimate the strength of SFL. I don't think the Towns will make this mistake because the league has a far greater profile than it did back in 1997. Having said that I would back the perrenial Top 6 of recent SFL seasons to be at least good A2 clubs in SAAFL, with some clubs in a given year being able to beat several of the A1 clubs. Townies would need to come in with a similar group to this year to even be a contender.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby aceman » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:23 pm

Waterboy wrote:
shoe boy wrote:After last nights phone calls I can tell you that Edwardstown WILL play in the SFL in 09 with A/B/18 and possibly 16!!


SFL has called a Special General Meeting with the Application of the Edwardstown Football Club to join the SFL for the 2009 season on the agenda.



Can I suggest that with all of Edwardstown's procrastination about moving/staying in the 2 leagues, the SAAFL might be glad to see the back of them.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby cyclops » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:36 pm

Well il have my say and rekn that edwardstown wont even finish in the top 5 next year.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby lion heart » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:08 pm

Any other clubs rumoured to entering the Southern league? Obviously 2 divisions is high on the agenda i wonder how some former powerhouses like Christies or Noarlunga would feel about being relegated to the second division?? Not happy i would have thought so im guessing not all clubs will be for Edwardstown entering. Will it come down to a vote from the clubs and if so what kind of majority vote would be needed?
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby LaughingKookaburra » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:57 am

cyclops wrote:Well il have my say and rekn that edwardstown wont even finish in the top 5 next year.

Big call, but they will finish higher than that. If you're right i'll put a 6 pack up.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby shoe boy » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:45 am

lion heart wrote:Any other clubs rumoured to entering the Southern league? Obviously 2 divisions is high on the agenda i wonder how some former powerhouses like Christies or Noarlunga would feel about being relegated to the second division?? Not happy i would have thought so im guessing not all clubs will be for Edwardstown entering. Will it come down to a vote from the clubs and if so what kind of majority vote would be needed?

No problems here,bring them on I say.As for former powerhouse we will be a power again and welcome the challenge of playing quality footy clubs and being a consistant winning finals side in all grades. :wink:
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby Esteban Vihaio » Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:32 pm

Last time the league had 15 teams, two divisions was knocked back (usualy 8/7 vote I understand). If the proposal was resubmitted and approved, we'd likely see 8 in div one and 7 in div two; 18 rounds; top four; and automatic relegation and promotion.

Obvious problems (Considering A grade only) include those sides finishing 8 - 11 this year will feel slighted and if "Life's pretty straight without ..." don't improve substantially, it will be tough year to say the least!!!! And the bye.

Obvious benefit is increased competitiveness of Hackham and Lonsdale leading to easier player recruitment and hopefully their survival and the league becomes more attractive to clubs from neighbouring leagues.

-- Division 1 --
COVE
HAPPY VALLEY
MORPHETT VALE
BRIGHTON DIST
REYNELLA
PORT NOARLUNGA
MORPHETVILLE PK
Edwardstown

-- Division 2 --
FLAGSTAFF HILL
MARION
CHRISTIES BEACH
NOARLUNGA
ALDINGA
OSB/LONSDALE
HACKHAM
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby shoe boy » Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:54 pm

Esteban Vihaio wrote:Last time the league had 15 teams, two divisions was knocked back (usualy 8/7 vote I understand). If the proposal was resubmitted and approved, we'd likely see 8 in div one and 7 in div two; 18 rounds; top four; and automatic relegation and promotion.

Obvious problems (Considering A grade only) include those sides finishing 8 - 11 this year will feel slighted and if "Life's pretty straight without ..." don't improve substantially, it will be tough year to say the least!!!! And the bye.

Obvious benefit is increased competitiveness of Hackham and Lonsdale leading to easier player recruitment and hopefully their survival and the league becomes more attractive to clubs from neighbouring leagues.

-- Division 1 --
COVE
HAPPY VALLEY
MORPHETT VALE
BRIGHTON DIST
REYNELLA
PORT NOARLUNGA
MORPHETVILLE PK
Edwardstown

-- Division 2 --
FLAGSTAFF HILL
MARION
CHRISTIES BEACH
NOARLUNGA
ALDINGA
OSB/LONSDALE
HACKHAM

Couple of probs with the 2 divs and that is juniours??? We are currently very strong with our juniour sides and will be in 09 and the formula you have presented has 3 sides in div 2 with no kids???(you would have F/Hill and Noarlunga blowing sides away each week,and I dont think that is good for footy)
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby cyclops » Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:55 pm

Esteban Vihaio wrote:Last time the league had 15 teams, two divisions was knocked back (usualy 8/7 vote I understand). If the proposal was resubmitted and approved, we'd likely see 8 in div one and 7 in div two; 18 rounds; top four; and automatic relegation and promotion.

Obvious problems (Considering A grade only) include those sides finishing 8 - 11 this year will feel slighted and if "Life's pretty straight without ..." don't improve substantially, it will be tough year to say the least!!!! And the bye.

Obvious benefit is increased competitiveness of Hackham and Lonsdale leading to easier player recruitment and hopefully their survival and the league becomes more attractive to clubs from neighbouring leagues.

-- Division 1 --
COVE
HAPPY VALLEY
MORPHETT VALE
BRIGHTON DIST
REYNELLA
PORT NOARLUNGA
MORPHETVILLE PK
Edwardstown

-- Division 2 --
FLAGSTAFF HILL
MARION
CHRISTIES BEACH
NOARLUNGA
ALDINGA
OSB/LONSDALE
HACKHAM



I like the idea for 2 divs next season EV,but tell me this why should edwardstown go straight into div 1,thats were i feel the problem will lay from clubs that have made the 8 this season or just missed out.If cove wanted to leave the sfl would they be able to go straight into the A1 comp,i wouldnt have thought so.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby cyclops » Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:58 pm

Couple of probs with the 2 divs and that is juniours??? We are currently very strong with our juniour sides and will be in 09 and the formula you have presented has 3 sides in div 2 with no kids???(you would have F/Hill and Noarlunga blowing sides away each week,and I dont think that is good for footy)[/quote]

I think with the junior comp it is going to have to be worked out seperately from the senior comp,i think the junior comp needs to be worked on ranking system rite across all 3 junior grades.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby words of wisdom » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:04 pm

cyclops wrote:
Esteban Vihaio wrote:Last time the league had 15 teams, two divisions was knocked back (usualy 8/7 vote I understand). If the proposal was resubmitted and approved, we'd likely see 8 in div one and 7 in div two; 18 rounds; top four; and automatic relegation and promotion.

Obvious problems (Considering A grade only) include those sides finishing 8 - 11 this year will feel slighted and if "Life's pretty straight without ..." don't improve substantially, it will be tough year to say the least!!!! And the bye.

Obvious benefit is increased competitiveness of Hackham and Lonsdale leading to easier player recruitment and hopefully their survival and the league becomes more attractive to clubs from neighbouring leagues.

-- Division 1 --
COVE
HAPPY VALLEY
MORPHETT VALE
BRIGHTON DIST
REYNELLA
PORT NOARLUNGA
MORPHETVILLE PK
Edwardstown

-- Division 2 --
FLAGSTAFF HILL
MARION
CHRISTIES BEACH
NOARLUNGA
ALDINGA
OSB/LONSDALE
HACKHAM



I like the idea for 2 divs next season EV,but tell me this why should edwardstown go straight into div 1,thats were i feel the problem will lay from clubs that have made the 8 this season or just missed out.If cove wanted to leave the sfl would they be able to go straight into the A1 comp,i wouldnt have thought so.


So they dont smash Hackam & others by 40 goals. Thats why there should be 2 divs to stop this from happening.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby cyclops » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:07 pm

So they dont smash Hackam & others by 40 goals. Thats why there should be 2 divs to stop this from happening.[/quote]

Mate other teams in that bottom 8 will smash the hawks by more than 40 goals anyway.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby words of wisdom » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:10 pm

cyclops wrote:Couple of probs with the 2 divs and that is juniours??? We are currently very strong with our juniour sides and will be in 09 and the formula you have presented has 3 sides in div 2 with no kids???(you would have F/Hill and Noarlunga blowing sides away each week,and I dont think that is good for footy)


Do Morphett Vale have 2 under 16's & 14's? Could clubs in this position fill the spaces left by clubs without junior sides?
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby shoe boy » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:11 pm

cyclops wrote:Couple of probs with the 2 divs and that is juniours??? We are currently very strong with our juniour sides and will be in 09 and the formula you have presented has 3 sides in div 2 with no kids???(you would have F/Hill and Noarlunga blowing sides away each week,and I dont think that is good for footy)


I think with the junior comp it is going to have to be worked out seperately from the senior comp,i think the junior comp needs to be worked on ranking system rite across all 3 junior grades.[/quote]
There needs to have this looked at as F/Hill have been one of the better clubs with its juniours that play finals or are winning grand finals and their seniors also played finals.
We had all juniors in finals and also our B grade. Maybe part of the criteria is that you should have a full quota of sides,stops sides playing all over the place to fill the void from other sides??
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby Zelezny Chucks » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:14 pm

Incredibly hard to base who the teams are playing against on junior performance, Flaggies would be Div 2 in A grade but Div 1 in U14's.

As for treating them separately Clopsy I think you'll find that was one of the appeals of the SFL having Juniors play before seniors. Clubs would struggle if they had Juniors all over the place as a lot of trainers do the hard yards and stay all day.
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Re: Edwardstown still looking

Postby words of wisdom » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:14 pm

cyclops wrote:So they dont smash Hackam & others by 40 goals. Thats why there should be 2 divs to stop this from happening.


Mate other teams in that bottom 8 will smash the hawks by more than 40 goals anyway.[/quote]

Fair call but surely even one eyed as you are, you would like to see a more even competion. Edwardstown in Div 2 wouldnt provide that.
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