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Re: Southern Football League

Postby AFLflyer » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:31 am

I think reynella have to look forward now, evans is gone, like it or not move on. If you really want to look at the facts, the facts are Reynella A grade went from palying in two grand finals agianst a dominant emus, to loosing in a prelim, to not making a prelim.
Not blaming evans at all, but they are the facts. From what i hear/know Evans is well liked and brought some good players to the club, I'm not having a go at him, but move one.

Any candidates for the new coach? will Moore stay? My guess butcher will leave? Mensforth?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby damian » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:44 am

fly wrote:
damian wrote:
fly wrote:
eagleman22 wrote:no matter what word is used, he was NEVER going to be the reynella coach in 2009. . . The club has gone backwards in the 2 years he was there. . and if he coached in 2009 it would have gone even further.


You know that do you mate,you wouldnt have a clue what goes on at our club and i am sick of reading unfounded crap like you post,with no basis of truth to it at all,dont make up crap and post it on here this is a factual footy forum and would be good if people posted stuff that was true not fabricated crap such as your posts


Sounds like Fly might be Evans himself! Or someone very closely associated with him, registered a new name yet, Towny? maybe? Definately a soft spot with him.


Damien i am a current Reynella A grader and liked him as a coach so say what you like and we know you have previously stated on here that you dont like him for some reason so i am not suprised you are having this to say now


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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Mr Magoo » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:15 am

BringBackDBush wrote:REASONS FOR BAILING OUT ON THE SFL.

With Kangas, McLaren, Macclesfield, Meadows I’d put it down to the closeness to the other leagues they moved into and they didn’t want to get thrashed by the good Div1 SFL sides. They basically chickened out.

Mitchell Park thought they would be up to pace with the top teams but were sadly mistaken so before they lost all their supporters they left with their tail between their legs. Beware Edwardstown this sounds like your future.

Plympton got into trouble with the SFL after some silly antics on 1989 GF Mad Monday. I think they got put on a good behavior bond but didn’t like it.
They thought cos they won three GFs in a row they were being victimised so they left to the Armatures League. Oh and now they are languishing in A3s so I guess that was a good move wasn’t it \:D/.
Basically got big heads

OSB got screwed by the soccer club no argument there.

Willunga the saddest loss. I think just wanted to play in the Great Southern. after all they are a typical country club in a country area. On results and support a good decision don’t you think. Basically SFL got too metropolitan for them.


Mate
I think you are a bit narrow minded in your views
The clubs that have chosen to move from the SFL to a COUNTRY LEAGUE ..that is
Willunga, Mclaren Vale, McLaren Flat, Kangarilla, Meadows, Macclesfield have done so as they are in fact COUNTRY TOWNS.

Reynella, Morphett Vale, Christies, Port Noarlunga, which were country towns in the 1880's are now part of Metropolitan Adelaide.
Those places are still towns....check out registration, STD phone calls and then try and get free delivery from Harvey norman or radio rentals to Willunga or The Flat.

Sponsorship which was traditionally from the local pub, Farm supplies and maybe the general store and maybe a rich farmer was limited.
What chance did a Willunga or McLaren vale/Flat have against the opportunities for sponsorship at those metropolitan clubs.
What chance does Meadows have of fielding 3 junior sides from a population of 368 people??

For pete's sake my friend...When you see the Reynella and Morphett Vales with 58 under 14's and at Meadows there are only 12 under 14's in the whole bloody town what do you expect country clubs to do???? Not to mention getting volunteers etc for a club to even run.

You think you can call us little country clubs chicken. Wake up and broaden your mind

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Re: Southern Football League

Postby the observer » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:23 am

[b]Excellent Mr Magoo[/b]
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Mr Magoo » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:24 am

BringBackDBush wrote:REASONS FOR BAILING OUT ON THE SFL.

With Kangas, McLaren, Macclesfield, Meadows I’d put it down to the closeness to the other leagues they moved into and they didn’t want to get thrashed by the good Div1 SFL sides. They basically chickened out.

Mitchell Park thought they would be up to pace with the top teams but were sadly mistaken so before they lost all their supporters they left with their tail between their legs. Beware Edwardstown this sounds like your future.

Plympton got into trouble with the SFL after some silly antics on 1989 GF Mad Monday. I think they got put on a good behavior bond but didn’t like it.
They thought cos they won three GFs in a row they were being victimised so they left to the Armatures League. Oh and now they are languishing in A3s so I guess that was a good move wasn’t it \:D/.
Basically got big heads

OSB got screwed by the soccer club no argument there.

Willunga the saddest loss. I think just wanted to play in the Great Southern. after all they are a typical country club in a country area. On results and support a good decision don’t you think. Basically SFL got too metropolitan for them.


You have worked me up a bit mate
We don't even have taxis, red lights, maccas or hungries.
my brother played 4 years at Meadows in the colts and won 8 games in four years. And to top it off couldn't even beat the 2nd Morphett vale sides in U/14. No one in that time was even cosidered for Association sides in the juniors.
I won't go on
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby MatteeG » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:27 am

Oh Magoo, you've done it again!

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Re: Southern Football League

Postby damian » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:28 am

Mr Magoo wrote:
BringBackDBush wrote:REASONS FOR BAILING OUT ON THE SFL.

With Kangas, McLaren, Macclesfield, Meadows I’d put it down to the closeness to the other leagues they moved into and they didn’t want to get thrashed by the good Div1 SFL sides. They basically chickened out.

Mitchell Park thought they would be up to pace with the top teams but were sadly mistaken so before they lost all their supporters they left with their tail between their legs. Beware Edwardstown this sounds like your future.

Plympton got into trouble with the SFL after some silly antics on 1989 GF Mad Monday. I think they got put on a good behavior bond but didn’t like it.
They thought cos they won three GFs in a row they were being victimised so they left to the Armatures League. Oh and now they are languishing in A3s so I guess that was a good move wasn’t it \:D/.
Basically got big heads

OSB got screwed by the soccer club no argument there.

Willunga the saddest loss. I think just wanted to play in the Great Southern. after all they are a typical country club in a country area. On results and support a good decision don’t you think. Basically SFL got too metropolitan for them.


Mate
I think you are a bit narrow minded in your views
The clubs that have chosen to move from the SFL to a COUNTRY LEAGUE ..that is
Willunga, Mclaren Vale, McLaren Flat, Kangarilla, Meadows, Macclesfield have done so as they are in fact COUNTRY TOWNS.

Reynella, Morphett Vale, Christies, Port Noarlunga, which were country towns in the 1880's are now part of Metropolitan Adelaide.
Those places are still towns....check out registration, STD phone calls and then try and get free delivery from Harvey norman or radio rentals to Willunga or The Flat.

Sponsorship which was traditionally from the local pub, Farm supplies and maybe the general store and maybe a rich farmer was limited.
What chance did a Willunga or McLaren vale/Flat have against the opportunities for sponsorship at those metropolitan clubs.
What chance does Meadows have of fielding 3 junior sides from a population of 368 people??

For pete's sake my friend...When you see the Reynella and Morphett Vales with 58 under 14's and at Meadows there are only 12 under 14's in the whole bloody town what do you expect country clubs to do???? Not to mention getting volunteers etc for a club to even run.

You think you can call us little country clubs chicken. Wake up and broaden your mind

We all have our own issues in clubs


Agree with most of what you said BBDB, all except for the country clubs chickening out. Country clubs have more to think about than just the club, the footy clubs in country towns are in most cases the heart and sole of the community and if kids are getting thumped every week by bigger metro clubs and then likewise in the Senior teams, it doesn't sit well in the communities. Up here we are lucky, not every second person is associated with the same team, or footy at all so they don't get down on a side being belted week in, week in out.

PS - well said Magoo.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby BringBackDBush » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:06 pm

eagleman22 wrote:
BringBackDBush wrote:Ah McLarren.
A lot of them use to talk themselves up back then on how they were as good as the top SFL clubs. It’s a pity they didn’t get the chance cos they would have got their asses kicked. And secretly I think they new that. That's why they bailed.
And I reco they spent a few bucks getting that 03 flag too.
3rd to bottom this year wasn't it.




Wrong again sorry bringback, , , only 2 players in the GF team paid above the standard pay. . . At least Mclaren would have contributed junior and senior sides to the SFL in all grades each year. . A lot more then can be said for some current SFL clubs.


OK you got me there you've uncovered some past McLaren rivalry.
And you're right we could have done with them. The SFL needs clubs coming in
with the full package straight up. If Edwardstown want to pick and choose what teams they want to enter stay in the Armatures. The Armature League don't care they'll just plug you in were they find gaps cos all their teams are scattered over the sate and your club would be playing different grades at different clubs all on the one day.
Foot note SFL, don't get any ideas about copying the Armature model.
Edwardstown if you're not ready come back when you are ready.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby eagleman22 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:22 pm

BringBackDBush wrote:
eagleman22 wrote:
BringBackDBush wrote:Ah McLarren.
A lot of them use to talk themselves up back then on how they were as good as the top SFL clubs. It’s a pity they didn’t get the chance cos they would have got their asses kicked. And secretly I think they new that. That's why they bailed.
And I reco they spent a few bucks getting that 03 flag too.
3rd to bottom this year wasn't it.




Wrong again sorry bringback, , , only 2 players in the GF team paid above the standard pay. . . At least Mclaren would have contributed junior and senior sides to the SFL in all grades each year. . A lot more then can be said for some current SFL clubs.


OK you got me there you've uncovered some past McLaren rivalry.
And you're right we could have done with them. The SFL needs clubs coming in
with the full package straight up. If Edwardstown want to pick and choose what teams they want to enter stay in the Armatures. The Armature League don't care they'll just plug you in were they find gaps cos all their teams are scattered over the sate and your club would be playing different grades at different clubs all on the one day.
Foot note SFL, don't get any ideas about copying the Armature model.
Edwardstown if you're not ready come back when you are ready.
Full package or BUGGER OFF



HAHA, For once i agree with you bringback, SFL needs CLUBS that have all grades. . I have been involved with junior footy in SFL and it can be a joke with teams that dont have juniors. . . Its bad for the kids. . and bad for all clubs not having their juniors at the same grounds as the seniors.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby BringBackDBush » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:16 pm

Wow I’ve struck a bit of a cord with the chicken off claim.
But leaving cos of lack of success is chickening off but it’s understandable and I’m sure there is more than that behind it too.
But you are right about those country teams they are basically like Willunga in their reasoning. The SFL got too metropolitan for them. I do miss going down to Willunga, Flats and Vale for the day though. You bring ALL grades down for the day, drop in the wineries to pick up some port before you get there, park you car under the trees and settle in for a real local country football day. The canteens were excellent too.
Didn’t like the wood fired hot water systems they had for showers though. If you weren’t quick enough you had a cold one.
Wouldn’t mind having Willunga and McLaren in the SFL now it would be a lot better than some of those other clubs.
I wish Aldinga could get their act together now that their area is well populated and become a top 8 team with all grades filled. As the South continues to become more metropolitan surely that’s the future for the SFL comp
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby eagleman22 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:22 pm

BringBackDBush wrote:Wow I’ve struck a bit of a cord with the chicken off claim.
But leaving cos of lack of success is chickening off but it’s understandable and I’m sure there is more than that behind it too.
But you are right about those country teams they are basically like Willunga in their reasoning. The SFL got too metropolitan for them. I do miss going down to Willunga, Flats and Vale for the day though. You bring ALL grades down for the day, drop in the wineries to pick up some port before you get there, park you car under the trees and settle in for a real local country football day. The canteens were excellent too.
Didn’t like the wood fired hot water systems they had for showers though. If you weren’t quick enough you had a cold one.
Wouldn’t mind having Willunga and McLaren in the SFL now it would be a lot better than some of those other clubs.
I wish Aldinga could get their act together now that their area is well populated and become a top 8 team with all grades filled. As the South continues to become more metropolitan surely that’s the future for the SFL comp



I need to repeat, MCLAREN WANTED TO PLAY DIV 1 . . SFL wouldnt let them because of a stupid rule . SO they voted to play in the GSFL rather than the crap DIV 2 SFL comp.. . This was a year before SFL went to one grade. . In Mclarens last year of the SFL they smashed everyone by over 20 goals, apart from Kangarilla. . They left because it was boring footy.

Aldingas problem is no high school, all the local kids go to either Willunga HS or Seaford HS, so all the kids play for Willunga, Mclaren or Pt Noarlunga/Noarlunga
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby damian » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:27 pm

Very good point on the High School situation at Aldinga eagleman. Cardijn and Tatachilla Colleges als take a few out of the Aldinga area, Tatachilla feeds into Mclaren and Willunga, Cardijn into Porties and the Shoes.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby MatteeG » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:28 pm

eagleman22 wrote:[ In Mclarens last year of the SFL they smashed everyone by over 20 goals, apart from Kangarilla. . They left because it was boring footy.


Ahem.... think you will find they didnt dish out any 20 goal hidings to Flaggies eagleman...
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby eagleman22 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:29 pm

damian wrote:Very good point on the High School situation at Aldinga eagleman. Cardijn and Tatachilla Colleges als take a few out of the Aldinga area, Tatachilla feeds into Mclaren and Willunga, Cardijn into Porties and the Shoes.



Very true Damian. . Similar in the was Wirreanda feeds M/VALE . . Hackham gets the left overs .. . .when your 14 years old you want to play at a successful club.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby eagleman22 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:31 pm

MatteeG wrote:
eagleman22 wrote:[ In Mclarens last year of the SFL they smashed everyone by over 20 goals, apart from Kangarilla. . They left because it was boring footy.


Ahem.... think you will find they didnt dish out any 20 goal hidings to Flaggies eagleman...



Sorry, but they beat Flaggies pretty easy from memory. . . Mitchell park made the Div2 comp a laugh. . .They were shocking but had the attitudes and arrogance of a great side.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby BringBackDBush » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:33 pm

eagleman22 wrote:
BringBackDBush wrote:Wow I’ve struck a bit of a cord with the chicken off claim.
But leaving cos of lack of success is chickening off but it’s understandable and I’m sure there is more than that behind it too.
But you are right about those country teams they are basically like Willunga in their reasoning. The SFL got too metropolitan for them. I do miss going down to Willunga, Flats and Vale for the day though. You bring ALL grades down for the day, drop in the wineries to pick up some port before you get there, park you car under the trees and settle in for a real local country football day. The canteens were excellent too.
Didn’t like the wood fired hot water systems they had for showers though. If you weren’t quick enough you had a cold one.
Wouldn’t mind having Willunga and McLaren in the SFL now it would be a lot better than some of those other clubs.
I wish Aldinga could get their act together now that their area is well populated and become a top 8 team with all grades filled. As the South continues to become more metropolitan surely that’s the future for the SFL comp



I need to repeat, MCLAREN WANTED TO PLAY DIV 1 . . SFL wouldnt let them because of a stupid rule . SO they voted to play in the GSFL rather than the crap DIV 2 SFL comp.. . This was a year before SFL went to one grade. . In Mclarens last year of the SFL they smashed everyone by over 20 goals, apart from Kangarilla. . They left because it was boring footy.

Aldingas problem is no high school, all the local kids go to either Willunga HS or Seaford HS, so all the kids play for Willunga, Mclaren or Pt Noarlunga/Noarlunga


Every club shares high schools. The area's big enough now they got no real long term excuse, it's time to evolve Aldinga.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby eagleman22 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:38 pm

BringBackDBush wrote:
eagleman22 wrote:
BringBackDBush wrote:Wow I’ve struck a bit of a cord with the chicken off claim.
But leaving cos of lack of success is chickening off but it’s understandable and I’m sure there is more than that behind it too.
But you are right about those country teams they are basically like Willunga in their reasoning. The SFL got too metropolitan for them. I do miss going down to Willunga, Flats and Vale for the day though. You bring ALL grades down for the day, drop in the wineries to pick up some port before you get there, park you car under the trees and settle in for a real local country football day. The canteens were excellent too.
Didn’t like the wood fired hot water systems they had for showers though. If you weren’t quick enough you had a cold one.
Wouldn’t mind having Willunga and McLaren in the SFL now it would be a lot better than some of those other clubs.
I wish Aldinga could get their act together now that their area is well populated and become a top 8 team with all grades filled. As the South continues to become more metropolitan surely that’s the future for the SFL comp



I need to repeat, MCLAREN WANTED TO PLAY DIV 1 . . SFL wouldnt let them because of a stupid rule . SO they voted to play in the GSFL rather than the crap DIV 2 SFL comp.. . This was a year before SFL went to one grade. . In Mclarens last year of the SFL they smashed everyone by over 20 goals, apart from Kangarilla. . They left because it was boring footy.

Aldingas problem is no high school, all the local kids go to either Willunga HS or Seaford HS, so all the kids play for Willunga, Mclaren or Pt Noarlunga/Noarlunga


Every club shares high schools. The area's big enough now they got no real long term excuse, it's time to evolve Aldinga.



Tell that to the 14 year old kids when given the option of playing at either Willunga or Aldinga. . . . Same story for M/Vale and Hackham . . All the good players want to play at M/VALE
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby MatteeG » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:40 pm

eagleman22 wrote:
MatteeG wrote:
eagleman22 wrote:[ In Mclarens last year of the SFL they smashed everyone by over 20 goals, apart from Kangarilla. . They left because it was boring footy.


Ahem.... think you will find they didnt dish out any 20 goal hidings to Flaggies eagleman...



Sorry, but they beat Flaggies pretty easy from memory. . . Mitchell park made the Div2 comp a laugh. . .They were shocking but had the attitudes and arrogance of a great side.


You did have a good side in that 2000 season mate, your Bs beat us in the GF pretty easy... At least you didnt compete in the 6 team debacle of a comp in 2001 :roll:

And Yes, Mitchell Park were a laugh, had some big units with tattoos and goaties, and couldnt raise a gallop!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby eagleman22 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:43 pm

MatteeG wrote:
eagleman22 wrote:
MatteeG wrote:
eagleman22 wrote:[ In Mclarens last year of the SFL they smashed everyone by over 20 goals, apart from Kangarilla. . They left because it was boring footy.


Ahem.... think you will find they didnt dish out any 20 goal hidings to Flaggies eagleman...



Sorry, but they beat Flaggies pretty easy from memory. . . Mitchell park made the Div2 comp a laugh. . .They were shocking but had the attitudes and arrogance of a great side.


You did have a good side in that 2000 season mate, your Bs beat us in the GF pretty easy... At least you didnt compete in the 6 team debacle of a comp in 2001 :roll:

And Yes, Mitchell Park were a laugh, had some big units with tattoos and goaties, and couldnt raise a gallop!



Bloody long time ago now isnt it. . . seems like only yesterday. . . Glad we werent there in 2001, what a debacle!!
From memory Flaggies lost a lot of players to Langhorne before the 2000 season that hurt them, Is that right?? GODWIN, Batsa etc ??
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby MatteeG » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:55 pm

Testing the memory eags, but it was around that time...
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