What I would give to roll the Hybrids at Unley this week....

[MST]

MST, what makes you think that Sturt can beat us. Only beaten us 9 times in what almost 16 years. Sturt are not good enough at the moment to beat the Eagles this weekend.

I never said Sturt will beat your mob champ? If you read the post again you will understand I am hoping for a victory rather than predicting one.

Nine victories over sixteen years is an ordinary stat, but hey, haven't the Eagles only won one Premiership from 'what' six attempts? I know which unwanted record I would prefer.

The tide will turn sooner or later little fella, maybe not this week, but it will turn because that is the cyclical nature of football.

Now haven't you got some water bottles to go and fill?

Sorry,

I would prefer having made 6 grand finals than 2.

One broken heart compared to five??

You may want to rethink that logic dash.

Oh, and by the way Wedgie, when you are referring to the 'hack' Burton that wore the red n' white with such distinction, I think you mean Darren Burton, not Adrian.

[Wedgie]

One broken heart compared to five??

You may want to rethink that logic dash.

Oh, and by the way Wedgie, when you are referring to the 'hack' Burton that wore the red n' white with such distinction, I think you mean Darren Burton, not Adrian.

Whoops, right you are, they all look the same to me but yes Darren was definately the least talented of them. Darel Hart recruited him with the promise of immediate league selection (which he go), lets just say the other players weren't too impressed.

[MST]

One broken heart compared to five??

You may want to rethink that logic dash.

Oh, and by the way Wedgie, when you are referring to the 'hack' Burton that wore the red n' white with such distinction, I think you mean Darren Burton, not Adrian.

Whoops, right you are, they all look the same to me but yes Darren was definately the least talented of them. Darel Hart recruited him with the promise of immediate league selection (which he go), lets just say the other players weren't too impressed.

He never offered much when at Sturt and was not the medical staff's favourite. He used to prefer the treatment table to training but what do you do for a dodgy heart muscle?

[Aerie]

One broken heart compared to five??

You may want to rethink that logic dash.

What's the saying? It's better to love than not love at all...

Also, record in Grand Finals against each other - Eagles 1, Sturt 0.

[Dissident]

One broken heart compared to five??

You may want to rethink that logic dash.

It's funny how getting further means your worse than not getting that far in the first place.

Nothing like comfortable mediocrity.

[MST]

One broken heart compared to five??

You may want to rethink that logic dash.

What's the saying? It's better to love than not love at all...

Also, record in Grand Finals against each other - Eagles 1, Sturt 0.

The Eagles have never come up against Sturt in a Grand Final mate.

In fact, the Eagles have only played three clubs in the big one;

Norwood
Port
Central (4)

[MST]

One broken heart compared to five??

You may want to rethink that logic dash.

It's funny how getting further means your worse than not getting that far in the first place.

Nothing like comfortable mediocrity.

The Eags' have had some great sides over the last 15 years Diss, but as they say....

There 'aint no second prize.

[Wedgie]

One broken heart compared to five??

You may want to rethink that logic dash.

What's the saying? It's better to love than not love at all...

Also, record in Grand Finals against each other - Eagles 1, Sturt 0.

The Eagles have never come up against Sturt in a Grand Final mate.

In fact, the Eagles have only played three clubs in the big one;

Norwood
Port
Central (4)

Maybe he's talking about the previous Eagles and 1924?

(Even then Torrens choked in the finals after being minor premier and relied on the Challenge final to get another shot)

[spell_check]

One broken heart compared to five??

You may want to rethink that logic dash.

What's the saying? It's better to love than not love at all...

Also, record in Grand Finals against each other - Eagles 1, Sturt 0.

The Eagles have never come up against Sturt in a Grand Final mate.

In fact, the Eagles have only played three clubs in the big one;

Norwood
Port
Central (4)

Maybe he's talking about the previous Eagles and 1924?

(Even then Torrens choked in the finals after being minor premier and relied on the Challenge final to get another shot)

That would be it. Ah the good old Challenge Final. I would think some clubs "tanked" the semi final match to get a two week break instead of one in those days.

[Dissident]

One broken heart compared to five??

You may want to rethink that logic dash.

It's funny how getting further means your worse than not getting that far in the first place.

Nothing like comfortable mediocrity.

The Eags' have had some great sides over the last 15 years Diss, but as they say....

There 'aint no second prize.

No - there isn't.

But it seems you're better off finishing last with no prize than second with no prize. At least, that's how it appears on here.

I disagree with people's notion that success is only winning premierships.
To me, that's the ultimate success - but there's so many other things that build success, some of which aren't anything to do with winning a premiership. If Sturt finish bottom this year, and nxt year, sneak into the finals in fifth and lose the Elimination final, then one would have to say, they've had a more successful year than they did last year.

There ain't no second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth seventh or eighth prize. But finishing second is worse than finishing in any of the other "non-prize" positions (apparently).

[am Bays]

No - there isn't.

But it seems you're better off finishing last with no prize than second with no prize. At least, that's how it appears on here.

I disagree with people's notion that success is only winning premierships.
To me, that's the ultimate success - but there's so many other things that build success, some of which aren't anything to do with winning a premiership. If Sturt finish bottom this year, and nxt year, sneak into the finals in fifth and lose the Elimination final, then one would have to say, they've had a more successful year than they did last year.

There ain't no second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth seventh or eighth prize. But finishing second is worse than finishing in any of the other "non-prize" positions (apparently).

I can understand where you are coming from Diss, To expand what I said previously the Eags would be the 3rd most successfull club of the noughties and I would far rather prefer their record than my clubs. However, to me making 4 GFs pales into insignificance on the success continuum compared to 1 Flag.

My basic philosophy when it comes to success is that if you are prepared to make public comments as a supporter/player/official along the lines of "at least we make a GF" is tantamount to accepting mediocrity compared to wanting the ultimate prize. As a Glenelg Football Club supporter nothing shat me more than making a GF and then losing (I've had plenty of experience) it.

To me its a flag or its nothing in the big scheme of things which is why despite my hatred of them I have a deep seated respect for the Port footy club and a growing respect for the CDFC as they are walking the walk and talking the talk!!

PS Wedgie it scares me when you and I start agreeing too

[Dissident]

My basic philosophy when it comes to success is that if you are prepared to make public comments as a supporter/player/official along the lines of "at least we make a GF" is tantamount to accepting mediocrity compared to wanting the ultimate prize. As a Glenelg Football Club supporter nothing shat me more than making a GF and then losing (I've had plenty of experience) it.

I can see what you mean.
Doesn't mean I agree I don't accept losing - but you can't change what happens one year once it's over. I guess you need to look at it as a defence mechanism - Sure, 8 clubs failed to win the flag but our failure "wasn't as bad". I'm not saying it's right, but it's the way it is.

It's "sledging" really. Banter. There's "old chestnuts" about all clubs, from all clubs. Some last - some don't.

A supporter/player/official from a club finishing last saying "you suck because you got to a lot of grand finals and lost them all" is defending their even worse mediocrity.

Each year, EVERY club sets out thinking (some obviously dreaming more than others) that they can win the premiership. Only one does - I'm not going to stop supporting my club if they are one of the 8 who "fail" - what sort of supporter would that make me?

Port Adelaide Magpies have a huge history of success. Lets say in the next 5 years, they lose 5 grand finals. Doesn't make their suporters "love" the club any less. Doesn't make PAM any less of a club. It's just "what happens". Personally, if another club had the record of the last 5 or 6 years that the Eagles have - I wouldn't talk about it in a bad light at all. But, that's just me.

No, there isn't a second prize - but someone has to finish second for someone to win.

[am Bays]

A supporter/player/official from a club finishing last saying "you suck because you got to a lot of grand finals and lost them all" is defending their even worse mediocrity.

Totally agree, and while some of my posts indicate that attitude given my clubs level of success (is that an oxymoron) that is not my intention. The intent of my comments are to highlight what I consider to be the most appropriate measure of success

[Dissident]

A supporter/player/official from a club finishing last saying "you suck because you got to a lot of grand finals and lost them all" is defending their even worse mediocrity.

Totally agree, and while some of my posts indicate that attitude given my clubs level of success (is that an oxymoron) that is not my intention. The intent of my comments are to highlight what I consider to be the most appropriate measure of success

Success is such an intangible thing - although can have some quite tangible results.

We're all here, typing/talking, because we love the SANFL and more importantly, love our clubs.

It's very very easy to take an attack on your club (whether it be justified, called for, sledging, cheap, whatever) as an attack on you, as a supporter.

[spell_check]

Just thinking about it too, say if a club is 7th with a few rounds to go and cannot possibly make the finals, does that mean the club just goes out for the last few matches and "go through the motions" just because they can't win the flag? They could possibly slip down a place if this happens or finish 6th depending on their care factor during their last few games, but basically because they can't win the flag, they might as well go as low as they can because it isn't different to finishing 2nd?

[JK]

Port Adelaide Magpies have a huge history of success. Lets say in the next 5 years, they lose 5 grand finals. Doesn't make their suporters "love" the club any less. Doesn't make PAM any less of a club. It's just "what happens". Personally, if another club had the record of the last 5 or 6 years that the Eagles have - I wouldn't talk about it in a bad light at all. But, that's just me.

This is a pretty good point Diss ... From memory Port have lost more Grand Finals than anyone else (could be wrong, but pretty sure it's around the mark) yet the term success and Port Adelaide go hand in hand (lol a know many would suggest that there are a few other terms that fit too), and when you take a broader look at Ports non-premiership achievements (ie, near on 100 times in the Top 3), their close 2nd's and 3rd's still add weight behind the number of flags they've won ...

[Dissident]

Port Adelaide Magpies have a huge history of success. Lets say in the next 5 years, they lose 5 grand finals. Doesn't make their suporters "love" the club any less. Doesn't make PAM any less of a club. It's just "what happens". Personally, if another club had the record of the last 5 or 6 years that the Eagles have - I wouldn't talk about it in a bad light at all. But, that's just me.

This is a pretty good point Diss ... From memory Port have lost more Grand Finals than anyone else (could be wrong, but pretty sure it's around the mark) yet the term success and Port Adelaide go hand in hand (lol a know many would suggest that there are a few other terms that fit too), and when you take a broader look at Ports non-premiership achievements (ie, near on 100 times in the Top 3), their close 2nd's and 3rd's still add weight behind the number of flags they've won ...

I often hear the statistic thrown around that "Port Adelaide Magpies have appeared in 2 out of every 3 of SANFL Grand Finals"
I guess making the grand final is worth more when you've won more?

[Aerie]

One broken heart compared to five??

You may want to rethink that logic dash.

What's the saying? It's better to love than not love at all...

Also, record in Grand Finals against each other - Eagles 1, Sturt 0.

The Eagles have never come up against Sturt in a Grand Final mate.

In fact, the Eagles have only played three clubs in the big one;

Norwood
Port
Central (4)

1924, mate. What a glorious spring afternoon that was...

[woodwt]

hey tassie

You had better go and check your records as sturt during the 80 and 90s collected more wooden spoons that woodville did!!!!

Least woodville didnt go throught a season without winning a game!!

[am Bays]

hey tassie

You had better go and check your records as sturt during the 80 and 90s collected more wooden spoons that woodville did!!!!

Least woodville didnt go throught a season without winning a game!!

*sigh* I was refering to the 80s only with repect to Woodvilles spoons, not the 80s and 90s. I thought that was apparent by typing 8 & 0 that my reference was the years between 1980 and 1989. I hope that has clarified it for you Woodwt