Daryl Hair causes Paki walk off!!

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Postby RustyCage » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:10 pm

Dissident wrote:The spirit of the game is what' simportant, and I see Pakistan as having done wrong by it.Irrespective of whether or not Hair was right or wrong, Pakistan should have taken the field. They refused to do so for a very long time (20 minutes). After the game was called off, they then took the field (30 minutes later),
making the officials look worse. So for me, it is Pakistan who have done far more against the Spirit of Game.

If they don't like the umpires call fine, complain at length and what have you. And if Hair needs to be lynched, then fine, lynch him. But not during the tea break of the fourth day of a game. There is a time and place. None of these problems would be going on if Pakistan had done the right thing and taken the field. Instead, they sat it out like spoilt children who weren't getting it their way.

How about running on the pitch? Is there a difference between doing it accidently and doing it willfully? The former is gaining an unfair advantage, the latter is blantant cheating. But both are still running on the pitch.

What has happened is not good, but it was, once the initial decision was made, the only course of action. Pakistan refused to play. They were given more than enough time to take the field, and a fair chance to explain themselves. They did neither. Sad, but true.


Spirit of the game? An umpire accusing players of cheating with absolutely no proof? Hows that for spirit of the game?
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Postby dinglinga » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:14 pm

Makybe - Darryl Hair should have waited til TEA in the cricket

suppose there is a case for and against this as saod on the bevis and butthead show last nite ( sorry i meant kg and cornesy)

lets say ur batting maddog u get out 5 minutes before tea .. then find out that the umpire knew that the bowling team had tampered with the ball .. how would u feel ...

but then on the other hand if he waited til tea they could have made sure of the claim ... but like all sports do u wait for a break to make a decision ...

remember ICC will always lean towards the sub continant with the finacial backing
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Postby Dissident » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:18 pm

pafc1870 wrote:
Dissident wrote:The spirit of the game is what' simportant, and I see Pakistan as having done wrong by it.Irrespective of whether or not Hair was right or wrong, Pakistan should have taken the field. They refused to do so for a very long time (20 minutes). After the game was called off, they then took the field (30 minutes later),
making the officials look worse. So for me, it is Pakistan who have done far more against the Spirit of Game.

If they don't like the umpires call fine, complain at length and what have you. And if Hair needs to be lynched, then fine, lynch him. But not during the tea break of the fourth day of a game. There is a time and place. None of these problems would be going on if Pakistan had done the right thing and taken the field. Instead, they sat it out like spoilt children who weren't getting it their way.

How about running on the pitch? Is there a difference between doing it accidently and doing it willfully? The former is gaining an unfair advantage, the latter is blantant cheating. But both are still running on the pitch.

What has happened is not good, but it was, once the initial decision was made, the only course of action. Pakistan refused to play. They were given more than enough time to take the field, and a fair chance to explain themselves. They did neither. Sad, but true.


Spirit of the game? An umpire accusing players of cheating with absolutely no proof? Hows that for spirit of the game?


As far as I know the problem is that the rules state the the umpire's discretion of the state of the ball is all he needs to make a judgement (awarding 5 runs and changing the ball). The spirit of the game is upholding the rules to the best of your ability and that's what he did, right or wrong.
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Postby RustyCage » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:29 pm

Dissident wrote:
pafc1870 wrote:
Dissident wrote:The spirit of the game is what' simportant, and I see Pakistan as having done wrong by it.Irrespective of whether or not Hair was right or wrong, Pakistan should have taken the field. They refused to do so for a very long time (20 minutes). After the game was called off, they then took the field (30 minutes later),
making the officials look worse. So for me, it is Pakistan who have done far more against the Spirit of Game.

If they don't like the umpires call fine, complain at length and what have you. And if Hair needs to be lynched, then fine, lynch him. But not during the tea break of the fourth day of a game. There is a time and place. None of these problems would be going on if Pakistan had done the right thing and taken the field. Instead, they sat it out like spoilt children who weren't getting it their way.

How about running on the pitch? Is there a difference between doing it accidently and doing it willfully? The former is gaining an unfair advantage, the latter is blantant cheating. But both are still running on the pitch.

What has happened is not good, but it was, once the initial decision was made, the only course of action. Pakistan refused to play. They were given more than enough time to take the field, and a fair chance to explain themselves. They did neither. Sad, but true.


Spirit of the game? An umpire accusing players of cheating with absolutely no proof? Hows that for spirit of the game?


As far as I know the problem is that the rules state the the umpire's discretion of the state of the ball is all he needs to make a judgement (awarding 5 runs and changing the ball). The spirit of the game is upholding the rules to the best of your ability and that's what he did, right or wrong.


True. Would be interesting to see what the other umpire thought about the decision, seeing that Hair wouldn't even talk to Inzi about it, wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even consult the other umpire.
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Postby heater31 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:12 pm

Interesting to see the Indian Cricket board state that they will support the ICC's position in the wake of the current accusations looks like the Pakis are on their own now
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Postby Squawk » Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:38 am

Whatever the outcome, Pakistan and especially Inzi are acting like brats.

It is absolutely ridiculous of Inzi to say "find me not guilty or we will pull out of the tour". Hasn't he heard of innocent until proven guilty? Inzi has been a much maligned player for years and a very under-performed one in my book. (Who can forget his feigned hamstring tear when he was going to be run out in a match?). Saying Hair is a racist is a cop out - what would he have said if Steve Bucknor had made the same decisions and the game was between Pakistan and Sri Lanka in Columbo?

Lets hope the ICC approach this with a thoroughly open, objective stance because the credibility of cricket will otherwise find itself heading in the same direction as the credibility of cycling - down and fast!
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Postby mal » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:55 am

Inzaman ball tampering.
Are we talking about the cricket ball.
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Postby stampy » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:54 pm

good old mic hair, its about time someone stood up to those cheating paki bastards, they have been getting away with it for years, ask everyone knows that, and if its true that beefy botham has come out in defence of the cheats then maybe he should have a read of his own book i regards to ball tampering and not only his but his team mates feelings in regards to the world cup final of '92 when just as the poms where making their charge up steps waqar and produces an unplayable ball out of nowhere to dismiss alan lamb (i think from memory) and doing the same thing not long after to turn the game back in pakistans favour, he has got a short memory that flukey fat overated dipsh**
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Postby ORDoubleBlues » Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:33 pm

Interesting to read the piece in the paper today about Barry Jarman and his time as a match referee.
I feel that Hair has had reason to do what he has done. Certain marks on the ball don't come with wear and tear.
Remember Richie Benaud having some interesting things to say on English television about 11 years ago during play between England and Pakistan regarding what he (and we) was seeing on his TV monitor............
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Postby mal » Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:21 pm

Win Draw or Lose Grant Thomas will no doubt get the blame.
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Postby ORDoubleBlues » Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:30 pm

mal wrote:Win Draw or Lose Grant Thomas will no doubt get the blame.


As well he should too :wink:
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Postby Magpiespower » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:23 pm

PAKISTAN tour manager Zaheer Abbas insisted his side had won a huge victory after the dramatic revelations overnight that umpire Darrell Hair had offered to resign in exchange for $US500,000 ($658,000).

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20257668-5006301,00.html

FFS - get rid of Hair and his dodgy umpiring once and for all!
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Postby RustyCage » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:36 pm

Magpiespower wrote:PAKISTAN tour manager Zaheer Abbas insisted his side had won a huge victory after the dramatic revelations overnight that umpire Darrell Hair had offered to resign in exchange for $US500,000 ($658,000).

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20257668-5006301,00.html

FFS - get rid of Hair and his dodgy umpiring once and for all!


He must have realised there was no ball tampering and that he's a joke of an umpire.
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Postby Punk Rooster » Sun Aug 27, 2006 6:54 pm

Inzi is the laziest, selfish & most un-disciplined player to have ever walked onto the oval. No surprise that he sulked & protested.
I read that Hair is an ex-Sydney Grade Cricket bowler, & knows a tampered ball when he sees one..
The Paki's deserve to have the rule book thrown at them (hopefully Inzi doesn't eat it), right or wrong, they must follow the rules & spirit of cricket, which they have not.
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