THE SANFL/ AFL PLAYERS ROULETTE WHEEL.....a joke....

[JK]

All this stuff really is a "my knob is bigger than yours competition" ... The facts are, North have turned their dire situation around to a situation where they are now one of the pacesetters on and off the field, an achievement that will be completed once they reliase the ultimate onfield success - A great achievement already but as yet incomplete.

Norwood still have all of this before them and have been shown that it is possible with hard work and sound commercial plans and decisions, whether they are able to do so is the burning question.

The days of relying on local product alone for onfield success are long gone and have been for years, Norwood's last premiership year included recruits such as Harvey, Cunningham, Thiessen, Fleming, Estaugh, Jarman, McCormack, Obst, West and Keating, so the practices of North, Central, Eagles, whoever, are hardly new - Every club is now about having the finance and structure required to support importing the required talent to supplement the local produce.

[mal]

C/PERM spot on, can you convince PUNKY.
Let me re-iterate I think North have done the RIGHT thing.
BUT the ovrwhelming concensus amongst many people is
they have BOUGHT there way to success.

[Punk Rooster]

C/PERM spot on, can you convince PUNKY.
Let me re-iterate I think North have done the RIGHT thing.
BUT the ovrwhelming concensus amongst many people is
they have BOUGHT there way to success.

How have they "bought" their way to success?
1st of all, their "off-field success" can be attributed to a lot of hardwork, wise managment & prudent investments.
The Board/Management of the NAFC have turned a club that was allegedly/approximately 7k from having to shut it's doors- permanantly, into a club that is trading successfully, & in control of 2 income streams, outside of the football operations.
Yes Robert Gerrard was a huge help to the club, but not in the way most people assume (ie giving money freely to the NAFC, like a wealthy parent would a child). He was involved more from a management/negotiator/advisor point of view. I believe the SANFL were the ones to go Guarantor on North's loans, as they guarenteed a North dividend annually.
So in answer, we've traded our way to financial success off the field.
Secondly, North's on-field success has been limited thus far to being a consistent (at League level) finals performer (the club on a whole has won the Stanley Lewis Memorial Trophy back to back now). Also, the U 15's, 17's, 19's & Reserves were Premiers last year- was this success bought? No it was not.
However, we as a club, have not achieved the ultimate yet, & that is a League Premiership.
So as I have provided facts to back up my answer, which is NO, can you provide any facts to support your claim?
I will be interested to see what facts you supply.

[mal]

C/PERM spot on, can you convince PUNKY.
Let me re-iterate I think North have done the RIGHT thing.
BUT the ovrwhelming concensus amongst many people is
they have BOUGHT there way to success.

How have they "bought" their way to success?
1st of all, their "off-field success" can be attributed to a lot of hardwork, wise managment & prudent investments.
The Board/Management of the NAFC have turned a club that was allegedly/approximately 7k from having to shut it's doors- permanantly, into a club that is trading successfully, & in control of 2 income streams, outside of the football operations.
Yes Robert Gerrard was a huge help to the club, but not in the way most people assume (ie giving money freely to the NAFC, like a wealthy parent would a child). He was involved more from a management/negotiator/advisor point of view. I believe the SANFL were the ones to go Guarantor on North's loans, as they guarenteed a North dividend annually.
So in answer, we've traded our way to financial success off the field.
Secondly, North's on-field success has been limited thus far to being a consistent (at League level) finals performer (the club on a whole has won the Stanley Lewis Memorial Trophy back to back now). Also, the U 15's, 17's, 19's & Reserves were Premiers last year- was this success bought? No it was not.
However, we as a club, have not achieved the ultimate yet, & that is a League Premiership.
So as I have provided facts to back up my answer, which is NO, can you provide any facts to support your claim?
I will be interested to see what facts you supply.

You answered my question AGAIN !

BOUGHT= buying players

[locky801]

what have they bought???????????????????????????????????????????

[am Bays]

I don't know about the NAFC by you North lot have bought into an arguement....

[Punk Rooster]

Mal,
I will not be responding any further to your trolling attempts. You have had more than enough time to produce evidence to substantiate your claims. I've provided evidence to support my argument, you have not.

[mal]

The problem here PUNK is that I made the post, you can respond
to what I have said, look at what I have posted please.
If it pleases you ask me some questions without the history of
the North Adelaide football club being the vogue.

I asked you and PF for 6 answers to 6 statements I have made.
Please answer them...YES or NO is suffice.

Then you can ask me for some questions, YES oR NO.

And stop being hipercritical about the Norwood Footy club that is not
in my post, stay pertinent to the arguments presented please.

MY PRESENTATION IS ABOUT THE GLENELG FOOTBALL CLUB AND HOW
THEY HAVE BEEN SHORT CHANGED WITH THE ROULETTE WHEEL.

MY INFERENCE TO GLENELG IS TO USE THE NORTH ADELAIDE FORMULA
AND BUY SUCCESS.

If you like list your local players in a post, and if I have a spare decade I
will name the North Adelaide players that you obtained from other clubs.

[Wedgie]

Just on that Mal, if Glenelg wanted Nick Gill all they had to do was treat him like a person, not just as another of a group when they flew him over, he was ripe for signing, money had nothing to do with Gill nor many other of North's recruits.

[mal]

Glenelg have educated some juniors greatly as well, this will be in
evidence at this years draft.

I can think of two players at Glenelg who will get drafted this year. At North, there are three certainties, maybe four or five. Strange how the Bays are the only SANFL club developing young players according to you Mal.

PF the big difference between GL/NA is that North Melbourne supplement
thier list with the cheque book, Glenelg tend to promote from within.

Mal-informed..... North won the U15's,U17's, U19's, Reserves last year- & we're not developing our juniors? This year, we have blooded (at league level) Shane Edwards, Todd Pfeiffer, Andrew McIntyre, Tim Martin, Ricky Ebert & Matt Down. These players have been developed within North's junior ranks (albeit Down was from Norwood as a junior, yet still developed by us), & these players have been allowed to grow into a league role- not thrown to the wolves.
It would appear the only way the NAFC could appease you, would be to play 10 juniors who are not ready, then get flogged every week for 2 years, then start winning games. But guess what has happened in the meantime? We've lost the cream of those juniors to the AFL. We decide to recruit, to replace them- no, not in Mal's book, we'd be buying a Premiership. Much better to get some U17's with undeveloped bodies & throw them to the wolves.
I really don't care what your view of the NAFC is Mal, as the Board is reponsible to it's Members, & not message board forum members, who support other clubs, yet take continued cheap shots at the NAFC for being pro-active in many areas (especially recruiting).
Your time would be better spent questioning your own Board, & asking them why they are recruiting known trouble-makers from another club (Culpitt), & asking them to explain not only the poor results this year, but their whole mis-management of the Clubrooms debacle.

PUNK have a look at this P/FALCONIA brought up North Adelaide NOT ME
I then said about NA using the cheque book.[ yes or no ?]
THIS IS THE ARGUMENT youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu brought up the North objections not me!!

[mal]

Just on that Mal, if Glenelg wanted Nick Gill all they had to do was treat him like a person, not just as another of a group when they flew him over, he was ripe for signing, money had nothing to do with Gill nor many other of North's recruits.

Irrelevant Wedgie, the relevance is the number of OBTAINED[a better word] players
the Roosters have obtained from other clubs.
I am not saying its wrong Wedgie, I am saying it is a good way to improve your club.

My whole ORIGINAL inference is that Glenelg should do something similar.

[Punk Rooster]

Mal,
I'll provide a list- note Daniel Motlop played for North prior to entering the AFL, but I have counted him as a Power player, even though he's "ours".
Also, you are choosing questions which give you the answers that you want, hence my going "broader". You are also trying to put words in my mouth, which again, you choose to benefit your side of the argument.
I briefly brought up Norwood (for comparison), you keep bringing them up.
Why should Glenelg have any "rights" to these players? North have been in the same boat, & at the end of the day, they are not our players, so to North's credit, we've developed a team not reliant on those part-time players. Glenelg will have to do this also, should they want long-term success (develop a team does not equal buying a team)



* I have counted Ben Hart as a "Zone", as he came up through the Juniors prior to going to the Crows.

Notice how I have done research throughout my replies, yet you keep slinging mud, hoping it sticks.

[Wedgie]

Just on that Mal, if Glenelg wanted Nick Gill all they had to do was treat him like a person, not just as another of a group when they flew him over, he was ripe for signing, money had nothing to do with Gill nor many other of North's recruits.

Irrelevant Wedgie, the relevance is the number of OBTAINED[a better word] players
the Roosters have obtained from other clubs.
I am not saying its wrong Wedgie, I am saying it is a good way to improve your club.

My whole ORIGINAL inference is that Glenelg should do something similar.

Not irrelevent at all mal as my reply was in regard to your comment "use the North Adelaide Forumala and buy success".
The fact is Gill would be suited up in gold and black if they'd talked to him personally, money or BUYing has nothing to do with it.
The bays could have thrown lots of $$$ at him and he still wouldn't have been interested.
Just because you've back pedaled actually shows how relvent my post was.

[Wedgie]

Mal,
I'll provide a list- note Daniel Motlop played for North prior to entering the AFL, but I have counted him as a Power player, even though he's "ours".
Also, you are choosing questions which give you the answers that you want, hence my going "broader". You are also trying to put words in my mouth, which again, you choose to benefit your side of the argument.
I briefly brought up Norwood (for comparison), you keep bringing them up.
Why should Glenelg have any "rights" to these players? North have been in the same boat, & at the end of the day, they are not our players, so to North's credit, we've developed a team not reliant on those part-time players. Glenelg will have to do this also, should they want long-term success (develop a team does not equal buying a team)



* I have counted Ben Hart as a "Zone", as he came up through the Juniors prior to going to the Crows.

Notice how I have done research throughout my replies, yet you keep slinging mud, hoping it sticks.

Excellent stats Punky, I think you've won this argument twice now!

2 players out of 58 were recruited from Melbourne and mal calls us North Melbourne, I hope he hasn't looked at a few Norwood sides of the past and compared them!

[mal]

Heres my research using your table PUNKY

I wont call you North Melbourne anymore you can ring up
your stablemate Wedgie and declare a public holiday.
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NORTHAUSTRALIA

The aMALgamation Football club of other clubs Australia wide.

I present exhibit A:

ALLEWAY..................VFL
KAESLER..................STURT
WALTON...................CD
COULTER..................CD
KOOPS.....................AFL
KREIG......................CD
WALKER...................AFL
LONIE......................AFL
D WHITE..................AFL
WEATHERLEY............VFL
COX.........................AFL, GL
PERRIE.....................AFL,SA
HARGREAVES............AFL
HOWARD...................WA
GILL..........................VFL
WAKELIN...................CD
HUDSON....................AFL
SCHUBERT................WA
YOUNIE.....................AFL
RYSWYK....................AFL
GATTO......................ST
OHARA.....................WWT
A MOTLOP................NTFL
J CAMPBELL.............NTFL
DOWN.......................NW
M CAMPBELL..............NTFL

26 players in the North Australia football club.

Your zone has about 6 regular players listed
Thanks for doing the research for me PUNK.

YOUR CLUB IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING without the OBTAINS.

punk JUST ANSWER ONE THING AND i WILL STOP

IS NORTH ADELAIDE SITTING 2ND ON THE LADDER BECAUSE
OF YOUR JUNIOR DEVELOPMENT ???????????????????????????????

[Peter Falconia]

Just on that Mal, if Glenelg wanted Nick Gill all they had to do was treat him like a person, not just as another of a group when they flew him over, he was ripe for signing, money had nothing to do with Gill nor many other of North's recruits.

And if they had signed Nick Gill, they would have Clinton Alleyway on their list aswell. DOH!

[Wedgie]

Hooray, North Australia, the club for all Australians!

[Peter Falconia]

PUNK have a look at this P/FALCONIA brought up North Adelaide NOT ME
I then said about NA using the cheque book.[ yes or no ?]
THIS IS THE ARGUMENT youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu brought up the North objections not me!!

Yep......my fault.


MMMWWWWWAAAAHHHAAAHHAHHHHAAAHHHHAAA

[panther]

no need to get technical guys the fact of the matter is that north are where they are because of their recruiting.albeit from interstate or other sanfl clubs they are still recruits.mal is correct he is only talking about success of nth adel due to recruits.

[BPBRB]

So Mal North are nothing with obtains hey.

Well what is Norwood, I'll tell you. Sticky shit chewing gum on the sole of the rest of the comp and we are all trying to wipe it off and move forward. It's tools like you who would rather not progress the comp and maintain a high standard by recruiting good players into the comp. Your only shitty because your club is broke, has made monumental business blunders sine 1991 and is not the power it used to be once to ride "roughshod" over the rest of the comp. You go and dream of your days at "Sam's" and when Norwood was stealing juniors from everyother zone, laying out big money on all it's imports. No wonder Norwood are like they presently are if people with narrow minded yesterday views like yours are running the shinking ship.

What would Norwoods Seniors have done this year if you take out Meesen, Vlatko, Zorzi, Culpitt, Jackman etc etc - all good home grown talent. Don't start poking accusations at other clubs because your club is too poor to do anything and can't address it's issues like other clubs have done and you have had some years to address the problems too after you sold your clubrooms which was your first mistake. Time you went and tended to your clubs pokies and did some dusting just in case the museum wants them as new exhibits because they would hardly be up to date now would they?

Apologies to the sensible Norwood posters on this and other forums but you are a complete and utter wanker Mal.