Young Drivers 16-20yrs

[Dog_ger]

Midnight to dawn curfew.

No driving young ones.

Good idea.

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[Dirko]

So my first job, when I was 17, I had to start work at 0430.

How would've I done it Dog_ger ? Permit ?

[Iron Fist]

Midnight to dawn curfew.

No driving young ones.

Good idea.

Dog_ger is happy. Are you?

probably a bit harsh dogger
for P platers I agree with it, unless they have a permit like SJABC said

[A Mum]

Dog_ger is happy. Are you?

A Mum is happy too

There'd be no more staying awake at night until you hear the front door close and know they are home safe and sound !

[Wedgie]

Any chance we could ban Age Pensioners from dawn till Midnight too?

[Dirko]

Any chance we could ban Age Pensioners from dawn till Midnight too?

So you gonna stop driving when your 65 Wedgie ?

[interested observer]

Should be part of school curriculum instead of some of the other useless stuff they are taught.
And it should start from year 8 not a 5 minute thing.

If you do not pass this topic, which would include things like, road laws, defensive driving, policing, road carnage, basic car maintenence etc, then you are not entitled to apply for a licence until maybe 18 or more..( which it should be anyway )

Maybe it might even keep some of these kids at school longer instead of sitting in shopping centres and skate parks..

[tipper]

I personally dont know if this is the answer. the majority of the "young" drivers that have been involved in hoon/drag/street racing have been older than that age group.

Using the magill rd crash as an example (the one where one driver died and the other lost a leg) neither driver was in that age group. also the one that died to my knowledge never actually held a licence. placing curfews on young drivers would not have stopped this individual at all. the other driver was older again (about 25 i think) so it wouldnt have changed that side of it either.

I also dont think the high power restriction suggestion (as proposed to be discussed by state parliament) will change much. for the same reasons. the majority of these types of incidents lately seem to involve the drivers in the slightly older age group, and some of them also dont or havent held licences. penaliusing the drivers that abide by the rules wont change the behaviour of the ones that dont abide by the rules as they currently stand at the moment.

Having said all that, i dont have any other suggestions that i think would work, so i am not helping the situation at all i know. i just think there needs to be more thought put into the problem, rather than just quickly passing legislation that is easy, but doesnt actually address the issues at hand. just my 2 cents (probably over charging there )

[Sam_goUUUdogs]

Should be part of school curriculum instead of some of the other useless stuff they are taught.
And it should start from year 8 not a 5 minute thing.

Exactly, some actual life skills in place of some of the utter crap that is taught would be so much more relevant.

As for a curfew, the idea is just silly, you either have the right to drive or you don't.
Im 20 years old, have a full license and have been driving since the day i turned 16, I have worked in positions where i drive all day, and as a result i probably have more driving experience and km's under my belt than half the people that are 20-30 years old, for what reason should I be have a curfew?
There goes the option of starting work early, there goes the option of having 1 or 2 drinks at the pub and driving home, may as well have 15 and get plastered considering i have the get a taxi anyway

[Footy Smart]

As current P plater with a curfew i would hate to see it bought in.... I lost my lisence for speeding which was un intentional and i was doing 62 in a 50 which i thought was a 60 zone. I went to court to appeal got my lisence back but cant drive between Midnight and 5am.

Here is an example. If i want to go out to town and not drink, it means i have to spend money on a taxi even though i have zero alchol in my blood and im perefctly capable of driving.... what is the difference driving before 12 and after 12... the people that do the wrong thing will do it whenever

[Wedgie]

Any chance we could ban Age Pensioners from dawn till Midnight too?

So you gonna stop driving when your 65 Wedgie ?

Definately not as I'll be dead before then. Bit hard for a corpse to drive mate.

[footy1992]

I know what the statistics say, young drivers are unsafe and something does need to be done to prevent this waste of life, but being a P plate driver myself, obiding by the laws to the letter, i really dont think that a night curfue is fair on all of the drivers alike me who havent done a thing wrong. Why not inforce much much harsher penalties on any offenders no matter what there offence, then friends of these people see what concequences there are and they are much less likely to offend them selfs. Im not sure what the solution is but i really dont think enforcing a 12pm curfew is the solution.

[Psyber]

Any chance we could ban Age Pensioners from dawn till Midnight too?

Only if it doesn't include us self-funded retirees!
I spent some of yesterday afternoon looking at a nice 2nd-hand Cayman S at the dealer on Glen Osmond Rd - might take it for a test drive when the weather is better for giving it a real go.
[0-100 in 4.6 they claim - it needs a verification test by me, I think.]

Now if I could get all the sloowww drivers and hoon kids taken off the road and clear a bit of space...

[Ron Burgundy]

Nice wheels!

[Iron Fist]

Should be part of school curriculum instead of some of the other useless stuff they are taught.
And it should start from year 8 not a 5 minute thing.

If you do not pass this topic, which would include things like, road laws, defensive driving, policing, road carnage, basic car maintenence etc, then you are not entitled to apply for a licence until maybe 18 or more..( which it should be anyway )

Maybe it might even keep some of these kids at school longer instead of sitting in shopping centres and skate parks..

I think that this is the best idea to have been said so far, making it an actual subject at school!
doing basic things from learning how to change a tyre, which alot of people I know dont know how to do
through to doing a defensive driving course, much like doing aquatics!!

[Psyber]

I'm not sure why it needs to be part of the school curriculum.

I had driven my sister's manual Holden up and down the driveway a few times under her instructions.
I studied the road rules, had 4 lessons of 1.5 hours each from a private driving school, then I went solo. [No P's in those days.]
I learned to do everything including reverse parking in those lessons.
The car was a dual controlled manual Holden - the instructor was an ex-copper.
My sister and I shared the driving on a trip along the Great Ocean Road together 3 months later.

I had one minor accident soon after getting my licence due to no training in braking on a dirt road in the country.
It was quite minor - not big enough to bother to make an insurance claim.
My second accident was 8 years later. My first one big enough to justify claiming insurance was 12 years after I got my licence.

Admittedly, there is a bit more traffic on the roads these days, but what's so hard??

[interested observer]

I'm not sure why it needs to be part of the school curriculum.

I had driven my sister's manual Holden up and down the driveway a few times under her instructions.
I studied the road rules, had 4 lessons of 1.5 hours each from a private driving school, then I went solo. [No P's in those days.]
I learned to do everything including reverse parking in those lessons.
The car was a dual controlled manual Holden - the instructor was an ex-copper.
My sister and I shared the driving on a trip along the Great Ocean Road together 3 months later.

I had one minor accident soon after getting my licence due to no training in braking on a dirt road in the country.
It was quite minor - not big enough to bother to make an insurance claim.
My second accident was 8 years later. My first one big enough to justify claiming insurance was 12 years after I got my licence.

Admittedly, there is a bit more traffic on the roads these days, but what's so hard??

Yeah, I guess studying Indonesian is more important ..

[Psyber]

Learning to say "Yes Sir! in Indonesian or Chinese could be important in future perhaps..
I just wonder why schools need to teach such simple and basic stuff while they neglect teaching important things like English language skills and how to do simple arithmetic when you don't have a computer or calculator handy... Perhaps a Civics course focussing on rights and responsibilities under Australian law may be useful.

I have the impression, from teachers and students I talk to, that schools and Universities these days concentrate on people quoting sources on paper to prove they've read the books, rather than reading, thinking critically about, and discussing in tutorials, the topics and issues, thus proving they understand the topic. Tertiary students I'm talking to lately seem to be worrying more about getting it "right" - that is, finding the lecturers line and parrotting it - rather than thinking about the topic and forming their own opinion from the evidence. This may be because marking such papers is cheaper and easier than the tutors spending time in debate too...

[FlyingHigh]

I believe it should not be aged based, but you have to reach a certain level of education or a certain level of social responsiblity. For example, satisfactorily complete Year 11, and for those who leave school early, then they need to show a full year of full time work (backed up by stat dec from their employer) or a full years successful completion of TAFE.
Kids are able to drive at earlier levels of their education now because they spend an extra year in reception. A lot turn 16 during Year 10, or if they fail another year, during Year 9. I didn't turn 16 till early during Year 12. Who do you think, on the balance of probability, would make a more responsible driver, a 16y.o. in year 9, or a 15 y.o. who has completed Year 11?

[Psyber]

FH, I suspect the brighter kids are more able to control their hormonal storm driven impulsiveness, regardless of age.
I also supect a bright 10 year old may be a better risk on the road than any adolescent..