SAAFl Div 6 & 6R (2009)

[jimmy loughnan]

agreed, MP are bunch of gutless weak thugs.
morell, respect your opinion on here, but it means nothing if you can't open your eyes to what happens on-field week in week out. Can anyone honestly say they have played MP and the match was played in good spirit, hard at the BALL without sniping or behind the play antics.
P*ss off MP if your gunna act like that. unlike you guys, most of us are here to play football, not cop low-blows behind the plays from your 'tough nuts'. We all enjoy the rough stuff, but not behind play or under the pack when the ball is dead.
So tough they find it necessary to do it behind the play, when the other bloke is going about his business watching the ball. Absolute joke! You say you have cleaned up your image, but it sounds like you need to clean OUT more than a few players in order to fix the reputation.

[Keepitreal]

You are kidding yourself if you think you are being unfairly 'maligned' as you put it.
I could point out 6 reportable incidents that I saw personally, and from all accounts there were more.

A couple of glaringly obvious reportable incidents during the game which are inexcusable were-

1) Paul Wootton getting punched in the head about 6-7 times on the half forward line just before half time. This was by number 7, who I believe is your B grade coach. The umpire was 30 metres away and no report was made. Lucky Paul is a tough nut. Took the punches well.

2) Terry Bignell- CHB/Full Back- was standing one of the McDonnell brothers. Was minding his own business and watching the play then Mcdonnell punches him square in the face for no apparent reason. Only reason I can think of was because he hadnt had a kick all day and was frustrated. This resulted in the other Mcdonnell brother running in and throwing punches. Both Terry and L. Mcdonnell were sent off for 10 mins.

These two plus many others and the fact that anytime a Hectorville player got the ball a Mitchell PK player came in late with an elbow or jumper punch or punch tackle. Plus we had a broken nose and split jaw from two other cowardly acts.

Newsflash- that is not how to play tough football. That sort of stuff is C grade crap, just gutless really.

Shouldn't happen in any grade! What I witnessed last year was disgusting, blokes watching play down the ground and getting king hits to the head from behind and happened all game.

[possum]

You are kidding yourself if you think you are being unfairly 'maligned' as you put it.
I could point out 6 reportable incidents that I saw personally, and from all accounts there were more.

A couple of glaringly obvious reportable incidents during the game which are inexcusable were-

1) Paul Wootton getting punched in the head about 6-7 times on the half forward line just before half time. This was by number 7, who I believe is your B grade coach. The umpire was 30 metres away and no report was made. Lucky Paul is a tough nut. Took the punches well.

2) Terry Bignell- CHB/Full Back- was standing one of the McDonnell brothers. Was minding his own business and watching the play then Mcdonnell punches him square in the face for no apparent reason. Only reason I can think of was because he hadnt had a kick all day and was frustrated. This resulted in the other Mcdonnell brother running in and throwing punches. Both Terry and L. Mcdonnell were sent off for 10 mins.

These two plus many others and the fact that anytime a Hectorville player got the ball a Mitchell PK player came in late with an elbow or jumper punch or punch tackle. Plus we had a broken nose and split jaw from two other cowardly acts.

Newsflash- that is not how to play tough football. That sort of stuff is C grade crap, just gutless really.

Shouldn't happen in any grade! What I witnessed last year was disgusting, blokes watching play down the ground and getting king hits to the head from behind and happened all game.

That sounds familiar. Last time I played against MP I was moved up forward. My apponents way of stopping me was belting me in the face when the ball was being moved out of our backline, when everyone was focused upfield and I was getting ready to lead.

[morell]

Thanks for your reply mypaddock.

You are kidding yourself if you think you are being unfairly 'maligned' as you put it.
I could point out 6 reportable incidents that I saw personally, and from all accounts there were more.

A couple of glaringly obvious reportable incidents during the game which are inexcusable were-

My post was general in nature, not necessarily referring to the weekends game. We are unfairly maligned, I have heard opposition players, coaches and umpires confirm exactly this.

1) Paul Wootton getting punched in the head about 6-7 times on the half forward line just before half time. This was by number 7, who I believe is your B grade coach. The umpire was 30 metres away and no report was made. Lucky Paul is a tough nut. Took the punches well.

I did hear about this one. I will get some more details. I didn't see it though.

2) Terry Bignell- CHB/Full Back- was standing one of the McDonnell brothers. Was minding his own business and watching the play then Mcdonnell punches him square in the face for no apparent reason. Only reason I can think of was because he hadnt had a kick all day and was frustrated. This resulted in the other Mcdonnell brother running in and throwing punches. Both Terry and L. Mcdonnell were sent off for 10 mins.

Again, I didn't see it but will seek further details.

These two plus many others and the fact that anytime a Hectorville player got the ball a Mitchell PK player came in late with an elbow or jumper punch or punch tackle. Plus we had a broken nose and split jaw from two other cowardly acts.

It's gone from 6 reportable incidents to two fights. One of which you confirmed that your player got sent off as well. As for punch tackles or late elbows, I watched 3/4s and didn't see a single one.

Newsflash- that is not how to play tough football. That sort of stuff is C grade crap, just gutless really.

Hyperbole isn't an endearing trait, mypaddock.

[morell]

agreed, MP are bunch of gutless weak thugs.
morell, respect your opinion on here, but it means nothing if you can't open your eyes to what happens on-field week in week out. Can anyone honestly say they have played MP and the match was played in good spirit, hard at the BALL without sniping or behind the play antics.
P*ss off MP if your gunna act like that. unlike you guys, most of us are here to play football, not cop low-blows behind the plays from your 'tough nuts'. We all enjoy the rough stuff, but not behind play or under the pack when the ball is dead.
So tough they find it necessary to do it behind the play, when the other bloke is going about his business watching the ball. Absolute joke! You say you have cleaned up your image, but it sounds like you need to clean OUT more than a few players in order to fix the reputation.

I have played for Mitchell Park for many years and have seen a lot of unsavoury acts. No doubt there have been some moronic things done on the field. The last two years have seen a massive improvement in the on field behaviour of Mitchell Park footballers. So much so that some supporters have questioned wether or not this new discipline code is the reason behind our poor form.

The difference is not every club gets hammered for it. Every footballer has had acts committed upon them that are not good. This year I had my hand deliberately stomped on. I have been punched in the face, I have been hit well after play. Do you see me on here lambasting an entire club because of one or two dirty acts?

There are a lot of good people at Mitchell Park, it is a family club. We ARE trying to clean the riff raff out. We told two players that they weren't welcome to play for us this year. For outsiders to come onto a football forum and throw insults left and right without a degree of decorum or knowledge about what the club is REALLY like is very disappointing.

[morell]

Shouldn't happen in any grade! What I witnessed last year was disgusting, blokes watching play down the ground and getting king hits to the head from behind and happened all game.

What game? What club?

It would be good if any accusations being made were accompanied with a skeric of evidence rather than continued exaggerations and cliches.

[spinach]

im sorry morrell but it does seem that the general consensus is that the club is still the thug club of the division..i spoke on here a few weeks back after watching the mp-clg game and how dissappointing mp were with their on-field behaviour, i wasnt sure if it was a one off but it seems like its not

[mypaddock]

Thanks for your reply mypaddock.

You are kidding yourself if you think you are being unfairly 'maligned' as you put it.
I could point out 6 reportable incidents that I saw personally, and from all accounts there were more.

A couple of glaringly obvious reportable incidents during the game which are inexcusable were-

My post was general in nature, not necessarily referring to the weekends game. We are unfairly maligned, I have heard opposition players, coaches and umpires confirm exactly this.

1) Paul Wootton getting punched in the head about 6-7 times on the half forward line just before half time. This was by number 7, who I believe is your B grade coach. The umpire was 30 metres away and no report was made. Lucky Paul is a tough nut. Took the punches well.

I did hear about this one. I will get some more details. I didn't see it though.

2) Terry Bignell- CHB/Full Back- was standing one of the McDonnell brothers. Was minding his own business and watching the play then Mcdonnell punches him square in the face for no apparent reason. Only reason I can think of was because he hadnt had a kick all day and was frustrated. This resulted in the other Mcdonnell brother running in and throwing punches. Both Terry and L. Mcdonnell were sent off for 10 mins.

Again, I didn't see it but will seek further details.

These two plus many others and the fact that anytime a Hectorville player got the ball a Mitchell PK player came in late with an elbow or jumper punch or punch tackle. Plus we had a broken nose and split jaw from two other cowardly acts.

It's gone from 6 reportable incidents to two fights. One of which you confirmed that your player got sent off as well. As for punch tackles or late elbows, I watched 3/4s and didn't see a single one.

Newsflash- that is not how to play tough football. That sort of stuff is C grade crap, just gutless really.

Hyperbole isn't an endearing trait, mypaddock.

Trying to sweep things under the rug isn't that great either Morrell.

The first time we played you guys, I saw nothing untoward happen.
But Saturday was a totally different story. If that game was reviewed on video, half your side wouldn't be playing next week. If you think any different, you have blinkers on mate. To say you have gotten rid of the riff raff is laughable.

If this was a one off it wouldn't be such of a big deal, but this is a common theme that has been expressed by others on this forum on somewhat of a consistent basis.

[zedman]

if they have played you and they have something to say they can say it..are all of these people wrong??

your generalisations are not true..not every club has incidents like yours does..and plenty of clubs have none at all..kicking players and hits behind the play have no place anywhere in the game and are not rife amongst all clubs..its a small minority who claim they are blue collar tough but are actually white collar pricks..i have no doubt a lot of work has gone into trying to clean up your image and well done for that..maybe start with 2 brothers who bring your club untold bad publicity from the looks..or are they to big to booted out?

[morell]

im sorry morrell but it does seem that the general consensus is that the club is still the thug club of the division..i spoke on here a few weeks back after watching the mp-clg game and how dissappointing mp were with their on-field behaviour, i wasnt sure if it was a one off but it seems like its not

I absolutely agree that the general consensus is that MP are still, as you put it, the "thug club". That is almost exactly my point.

In the early 1900's it was general consensus that Black people weren't really human.
For many years it was general consensus that pluto was a planet

Sometimes a general consensus doesn't reflect reality or whats right.

[Keepitreal]

Shouldn't happen in any grade! What I witnessed last year was disgusting, blokes watching play down the ground and getting king hits to the head from behind and happened all game.

What game? What club?

It would be good if any accusations being made were accompanied with a skeric of evidence rather than continued exaggerations and cliches.

MP A Grade V SPOS in second round of season 2008, not exaggerations, all on the sidelines saw the blatant sniper activity and if the club is trying to clean it up well and good and I agree is only several players as the instigators but unfortunately the mud sticks to the whole club.

[Footy Chick]

OK, I think we've all made our points very clear and Morell has once again shown why he is a credit to his club by answering your allegations where he can in a very diplomatic manner and without having a snipe back.

You've all given your opinion and he's given his.

Cleaning up a club doesn't happen overnight you know

[dodgingandweaving]

Agreed.
The two best players there - The McD boys set the standard for the other lads who follow suit.
They're out and out thugs. And the lads see their two best players throwing and swinging punches left, right and centre and follow their actions. They need to lead by example or leave the club so the club has the opportunity to move in the right direction.

[spinach]

im sorry morrell but it does seem that the general consensus is that the club is still the thug club of the division..i spoke on here a few weeks back after watching the mp-clg game and how dissappointing mp were with their on-field behaviour, i wasnt sure if it was a one off but it seems like its not

I absolutely agree that the general consensus is that MP are still, as you put it, the "thug club". That is almost exactly my point.

In the early 1900's it was general consensus that Black people weren't really human.
For many years it was general consensus that pluto was a planet

Sometimes a general consensus doesn't reflect reality or whats right.

hahahaha im not sure bringing racism into this discussion really compares, or whether a planet is a planet, but nice try

[human blanket #3]

Agreed.
The two best players there - The McD boys set the standard for the other lads who follow suit.
They're out and out thugs. And the lads see their two best players throwing and swinging punches left, right and centre and follow their actions. They need to lead by example or leave the club so the club has the opportunity to move in the right direction.

totally agree. ive played on both brothers, and in the first match when mitchell park were up and firing, they were playing footy. on sat, things didnt go their way and all of a sudden they lose all concetration of the game and start doing stupid little things

[carey18]

Morrell, i respect what you are trying to do on here. Trust me i know, coming from a club that has been tarnished by thugs over the years. Hard to get rid of the stigma associated with your club. Doesn't happen over night. Just one thing mate. When we played you blokes earlier in the year, wasn't it one of the brothers who tried to kick Hailsey in the head when he was on the ground?. Way behind play. Ok they might be good players, but sounds like they are bigger than the club?

[mypaddock]

OK, I think we've all made our points very clear and Morell has once again shown why he is a credit to his club by answering your allegations where he can in a very diplomatic manner and without having a snipe back.

You've all given your opinion and he's given his.

Cleaning up a club doesn't happen overnight you know

Especially when you are to blind and ignorant to admit there may be a problem. Never going to be able to fix something when you won't admit there is a problem...

[morell]

OK, I think we've all made our points very clear and Morell has once again shown why he is a credit to his club by answering your allegations where he can in a very diplomatic manner and without having a snipe back.

You've all given your opinion and he's given his.

Cleaning up a club doesn't happen overnight you know

Thank you FC.

hahahaha im not sure bringing racism into this discussion really compares, or whether a planet is a planet, but nice try

The point was that sometimes a general consensus shouldn't be considered factual. Its very easy for a few incidents to taint a club unfairly.

Morrell, i respect what you are trying to do on here. Trust me i know, coming from a club that has been tarnished by thugs over the years. Hard to get rid of the stigma associated with your club. Doesn't happen over night.

Thanks carey. It is tough. It doesn't help when people group everyone within a club into the one stigma.

Just one thing mate. When we played you blokes earlier in the year, wasn't it one of the brothers who tried to kick Hailsey in the head when he was on the ground?.Way behind play.

Yes, that was Luke. This is one of the incidents that the club really does regret. We sanctioned Luke internally in addition to the SAAFL imposed 2 week ban. Luke was extremely remorseful over this incident and was more than willing to receive any punishment deemed fit.

Ok they might be good players, but sounds like they are bigger than the club?

The McDonnell family are integral to the Club, they are highly respected and well liked and are obviously very talented but I wouldn't go as far as saying they are bigger than the club.

A good example was when Nat spent a week in the B's for getting a yellow card (for swearing out loud). Not something someone bigger than the club would endure.

They are both incredibly humble, have wonderful families, work extremely hard professionally and raise a lot of money. Great club people to be honest, despite their reputation.

The twins do have a very competitive nature which can occasionally spill over, especially if they feel they are being unfairly targeted - which believe me, does happen.

Especially when you are to blind and ignorant to admit there may be a problem. Never going to be able to fix something when you won't admit there is a problem...

Very unfair.

[Browny25]

We didnt have any issues with MP earlier in the year, and the game was played in good spirits.

[morell]

We didnt have any issues with MP earlier in the year, and the game was played in good spirits.

Despite getting pumped!

Thanks browny.