Adelaide Turf Cricket Association 2009-10

[Dr Turf]

Rumour circulating that an A2 side has knowingly gone against the ATCA heat policy and deliberately played an underage player on Saturday.
Has allegedly been reported to ATCA by officiating umpire..

This will be interesting to follow if true...

I can see the ATCA giving the club a slap on the wrist at best.

[bloods08]

Rumour circulating that an A2 side has knowingly gone against the ATCA heat policy and deliberately played an underage player on Saturday.
Has allegedly been reported to ATCA by officiating umpire..

This will be interesting to follow if true...

What an absolutely ridiculous rule.

[Dr Turf]

Rumour circulating that an A2 side has knowingly gone against the ATCA heat policy and deliberately played an underage player on Saturday.
Has allegedly been reported to ATCA by officiating umpire..

This will be interesting to follow if true...

What an absolutely ridiculous rule.

Why is it ridiculous?

[wycbloods]

Rumour circulating that an A2 side has knowingly gone against the ATCA heat policy and deliberately played an underage player on Saturday.
Has allegedly been reported to ATCA by officiating umpire..

This will be interesting to follow if true...

What an absolutely ridiculous rule.

Why is it ridiculous?

It is a very good rule that should be enforced across all senior competitions. If it isn't safe for juniors to play junior cricket, why would it be safe for the more talented players to play senior cricket?

If SACA call off junior matches on a saturday then no junior should be able to play senior cricket that day IMO.

[bloods08]

Rumour circulating that an A2 side has knowingly gone against the ATCA heat policy and deliberately played an underage player on Saturday.
Has allegedly been reported to ATCA by officiating umpire..

This will be interesting to follow if true...

What an absolutely ridiculous rule.

Why is it ridiculous?

If they are good enough, Why cant they play just because its a little bit hot. Some clubs are struggling for players as it is without the fact that they cant play those junior players as well.

[bloods08]

Rumour circulating that an A2 side has knowingly gone against the ATCA heat policy and deliberately played an underage player on Saturday.
Has allegedly been reported to ATCA by officiating umpire..

This will be interesting to follow if true...

What an absolutely ridiculous rule.

Why is it ridiculous?

It is a very good rule that should be enforced across all senior competitions. If it isn't safe for juniors to play junior cricket, why would it be safe for the more talented players to play senior cricket?

If SACA call off junior matches on a saturday then no junior should be able to play senior cricket that day IMO.

Might as well call of all senior cricket as well (which I think is a good idea once it hits 40). These guys are 17 and should be able to look after themselves in the heat. Its not as if there are 11 year olds running around who wouldnt know better.

[Dr Turf]

Rumour circulating that an A2 side has knowingly gone against the ATCA heat policy and deliberately played an underage player on Saturday.
Has allegedly been reported to ATCA by officiating umpire..

This will be interesting to follow if true...

What an absolutely ridiculous rule.

Why is it ridiculous?

It is a very good rule that should be enforced across all senior competitions. If it isn't safe for juniors to play junior cricket, why would it be safe for the more talented players to play senior cricket?

If SACA call off junior matches on a saturday then no junior should be able to play senior cricket that day IMO.

Couldnt of said it better myself

[rod_rooster]

It's ridiculous for a number of reasons. Forget the argument about whether or not play should proceed in extreme heat and consider the heat rules in place as they are and what they mean. For starters if it was 38C or under last on the Saturday just gone then A1-B3 would still have played 80 overs and C1-C3 would have played their usual 72. If the next week it is 41C then play proceeds as normal and all 80 overs are still played in A1-B3 and 72 in C1-C3. The part of the heat rule that reduces overs only applies if the extreme heat happens to be on day 1 of a match. Common sense and extra drinks breaks aare stressed as being very important in the case that extreme heat is encountered on day 2 of a match. Could the same not happen on day 1 of a match and the full quota of overs still go ahead? Perhaps common sense needed to be encouraged when the Turf cme up with the new heat rules...

The second part that is flawed is the application of rules to prevent juniors from playing when it hits a certain temperature. My point is not whether or not play should proceed in extreme heat but what the turf is effectively suggesting is that a fit 17 year old kid playing high level cricket (for example A2 as has been alleged in an ealier post) is more at risk in the conditions than a 35 year old carrying 120kg's who sank 25 bourbons on the Friday night. An extreme example i know but who of us hasn't played with or agaisnt overweight people who get on the gas on a Friday night?

[Merki]

i just thought that the guys from Ingle farm would of new who i was being that i played there for more than 10 years but have gone into retirement.... guess they dont teach the new recruits how to respect the older former players, which is very poor.....

i wonder who the club was that played this under age player..... i see no wrong in it

[bloods08]

It's ridiculous for a number of reasons. Forget the argument about whether or not play should proceed in extreme heat and consider the heat rules in place as they are and what they mean. For starters if it was 38C or under last on the Saturday just gone then A1-B3 would still have played 80 overs and C1-C3 would have played their usual 72. If the next week it is 41C then play proceeds as normal and all 80 overs are still played in A1-B3 and 72 in C1-C3. The part of the heat rule that reduces overs only applies if the extreme heat happens to be on day 1 of a match. Common sense and extra drinks breaks aare stressed as being very important in the case that extreme heat is encountered on day 2 of a match. Could the same not happen on day 1 of a match and the full quota of overs still go ahead? Perhaps common sense needed to be encouraged when the Turf cme up with the new heat rules...

The second part that is flawed is the application of rules to prevent juniors from playing when it hits a certain temperature. My point is not whether or not play should proceed in extreme heat but what the turf is effectively suggesting is that a fit 17 year old kid playing high level cricket (for example A2 as has been alleged in an ealier post) is more at risk in the conditions than a 35 year old carrying 120kg's who sank 25 bourbons on the Friday night. An extreme example i know but who of us hasn't played with or agaisnt overweight people who get on the gas on a Friday night?

agree on all points.

[wycbloods]

It's ridiculous for a number of reasons. Forget the argument about whether or not play should proceed in extreme heat and consider the heat rules in place as they are and what they mean. For starters if it was 38C or under last on the Saturday just gone then A1-B3 would still have played 80 overs and C1-C3 would have played their usual 72. If the next week it is 41C then play proceeds as normal and all 80 overs are still played in A1-B3 and 72 in C1-C3. The part of the heat rule that reduces overs only applies if the extreme heat happens to be on day 1 of a match. Common sense and extra drinks breaks aare stressed as being very important in the case that extreme heat is encountered on day 2 of a match. Could the same not happen on day 1 of a match and the full quota of overs still go ahead? Perhaps common sense needed to be encouraged when the Turf cme up with the new heat rules...

The second part that is flawed is the application of rules to prevent juniors from playing when it hits a certain temperature. My point is not whether or not play should proceed in extreme heat but what the turf is effectively suggesting is that a fit 17 year old kid playing high level cricket (for example A2 as has been alleged in an ealier post) is more at risk in the conditions than a 35 year old carrying 120kg's who sank 25 bourbons on the Friday night. An extreme example i know but who of us hasn't played with or agaisnt overweight people who get on the gas on a Friday night?

For starters RR you are assuming that all 17 year olds are fit, that isn't always the case. Secondly, kids and yes 17 year olds are kids, are not as good as at recognising the signs of heat stress and the problems that playing in such conditions can create. Also don't think that 17 year olds don't have a drink or 3 on a friday night. Kids need to be looked after in these extreme conditions and we are only talking about 2 or 3 occasions per season at worst.

I agree the first week and second week rules for your heat policy are silly but hey that is your association.

[azzaisbest]

also did hope valley lose outright on the 1st day??

That was a double up of last weeks results in the paper, did lose outright but not in the same day. HV chasing 300 odd this week against payneham.

ha ha thought that was odd.. will be a good chase to get that one

will be a good chase, we have a pretty young team this year, if they can chase this down (fingers crossed), would be a massive lift for them for the rest of the year. Need to show some form with the bat , bowlers are doing the job which is pretty encouraging

[rod_rooster]

It's ridiculous for a number of reasons. Forget the argument about whether or not play should proceed in extreme heat and consider the heat rules in place as they are and what they mean. For starters if it was 38C or under last on the Saturday just gone then A1-B3 would still have played 80 overs and C1-C3 would have played their usual 72. If the next week it is 41C then play proceeds as normal and all 80 overs are still played in A1-B3 and 72 in C1-C3. The part of the heat rule that reduces overs only applies if the extreme heat happens to be on day 1 of a match. Common sense and extra drinks breaks aare stressed as being very important in the case that extreme heat is encountered on day 2 of a match. Could the same not happen on day 1 of a match and the full quota of overs still go ahead? Perhaps common sense needed to be encouraged when the Turf cme up with the new heat rules...

The second part that is flawed is the application of rules to prevent juniors from playing when it hits a certain temperature. My point is not whether or not play should proceed in extreme heat but what the turf is effectively suggesting is that a fit 17 year old kid playing high level cricket (for example A2 as has been alleged in an ealier post) is more at risk in the conditions than a 35 year old carrying 120kg's who sank 25 bourbons on the Friday night. An extreme example i know but who of us hasn't played with or agaisnt overweight people who get on the gas on a Friday night?

For starters RR you are assuming that all 17 year olds are fit, that isn't always the case. Secondly, kids and yes 17 year olds are kids, are not as good as at recognising the signs of heat stress and the problems that playing in such conditions can create. Also don't think that 17 year olds don't have a drink or 3 on a friday night. Kids need to be looked after in these extreme conditions and we are only talking about 2 or 3 occasions per season at worst.

I agree the first week and second week rules for your heat policy are silly but hey that is your association.

Fair points raised but it can't be assumed that older people take care of themselves or recognise the signs of heat stress any better. I'd suggest that whilst kids need looking after so do adults, most of whom would not be in as good a state of health as the average 17 year old.

I'd also suggest that in the example i used of a 17 year old playing A2 you could safely assume they would be better equiped to cope than the middle aged overweight bloke who sinks 25 bourbons the night before a game then rocks up to a ground in a lower grades with no changerooms, shade or proper facilities. Yes that guy has a choice to do that and as an adult it is his responsibility but at the same time lets be realistic and the fact is the heat rules are a farce in the ATCA.

[trev]

played with or agaisnt overweight people who get on the gas on a Friday night?

RR I believe you are in violation of a direct court order if you do not stop following Azzaisbest and myself around!

[Tiger Couple]

Not sure about a wicket not being prepared but you cannot forfeit a side and still play a lower graded side. Therefore if the B3 side was forfeited then all sides below that would need to forfeit as well.

The B3 is the lowest 2 Day Side the One Dayers are not considered the lowest team in the case of forfiets as looking back the One Dayers played when the B3 side forfieted the other week.

[rod_rooster]

Not sure about a wicket not being prepared but you cannot forfeit a side and still play a lower graded side. Therefore if the B3 side was forfeited then all sides below that would need to forfeit as well.

The B3 is the lowest 2 Day Side the One Dayers are not considered the lowest team in the case of forfiets as looking back the One Dayers played when the B3 side forfieted the other week.

Okay then, i always thought the LO's were considered lower grades by the Turf. Glad to hear that's not the case as it doesn't make sense given firstly it is a different format of competition and secondly the standard in LOA and LOB (even perhaps LOC) is much higher than many of the 2 day grades.

[interested observer]

i just thought that the guys from Ingle farm would of new who i was being that i played there for more than 10 years but have gone into retirement.... guess they dont teach the new recruits how to respect the older former players, which is very poor.....

i wonder who the club was that played this under age player..... i see no wrong in it

You have got to earn respect champ!!
If you are what you say and have played there for 10 years and are carrying on like you have been, then it is unlikely that any of the IF guys would have respect for you, let alone the new ones.
Sniping behind a computer just goes to show how gutless and spineless you are...

Every chance you are one of the reasons that a club with a pretty reasonable A1/Premier grade history over the years ended up in A3..

So blow away you gutless little termite and go and annoy Catchit's 2 year old son that you are paying for.....

[Dr Turf]

i just thought that the guys from Ingle farm would of new who i was being that i played there for more than 10 years but have gone into retirement.... guess they dont teach the new recruits how to respect the older former players, which is very poor.....

i wonder who the club was that played this under age player..... i see no wrong in it

What is your example of these new recruits not respecting these older former players?

[catchit]

i just thought that the guys from Ingle farm would of new who i was being that i played there for more than 10 years but have gone into retirement.... guess they dont teach the new recruits how to respect the older former players, which is very poor.....

i wonder who the club was that played this under age player..... i see no wrong in it

You have got to earn respect champ!!
If you are what you say and have played there for 10 years and are carrying on like you have been, then it is unlikely that any of the IF guys would have respect for you, let alone the new ones.
Sniping behind a computer just goes to show how gutless and spineless you are...

Every chance you are one of the reasons that a club with a pretty reasonable A1/Premier grade history over the years ended up in A3..



So blow away you gutless little termite and go and annoy Catchit's 2 year old son that you are paying for.....

yeah merki make sure he goes to the best university for me... dont want him to be a dumb ass like his step dad...
as for playing at inglefarm you talk shit.. you are the type who likes to be the big fish in a little pond and wouldnt play in a team enviroment..

[catchit]

i just thought that the guys from Ingle farm would of new who i was being that i played there for more than 10 years but have gone into retirement.... guess they dont teach the new recruits how to respect the older former players, which is very poor.....

i wonder who the club was that played this under age player..... i see no wrong in it

What is your example of these new recruits not respecting these older former players?

he has nothing apart from my kid