SA Churches and Community Cricket Association 2009-10

[bloodybouncer]

BB If you read the rules as much as you say. Can you find the rule for Adjusting Totals or making up time. I cant seem to find it. We played the game to the rules of the Association that we both play in. Not our fault if you think this is wrong

no mate, i cant find them either. thats my point !!!

Ecky, so i am clear, can you pls rebutt all my points in the previous post....especially what constitutes a draw. there is an obvious inconsistency here.

i see obvious issues here. how on earth can u play , in all respects, 2 FULL DAYS of cricket and NOT get a result.

ps: i dont read the rules unless something like this comes up!! call me an occasional pedantic

[silent hour]

BB If you read the rules as much as you say. Can you find the rule for Adjusting Totals or making up time. I cant seem to find it. We played the game to the rules of the Association that we both play in. Not our fault if you think this is wrong

no mate, i cant find them either. thats my point !!!

Ecky, so i am clear, can you pls rebutt all my points in the previous post....especially what constitutes a draw. there is an obvious inconsistency here.

i see obvious issues here. how on earth can u play , in all respects, 2 FULL DAYS of cricket and NOT get a result.

ps: i dont read the rules unless something like this comes up!! call me an occasional pedantic

Were stumps drawn before 5:15?

[spintwin]

BB If you read the rules as much as you say. Can you find the rule for Adjusting Totals or making up time. I cant seem to find it. We played the game to the rules of the Association that we both play in. Not our fault if you think this is wrong

no mate, i cant find them either. thats my point !!!

Ecky, so i am clear, can you pls rebutt all my points in the previous post....especially what constitutes a draw. there is an obvious inconsistency here.

i see obvious issues here. how on earth can u play , in all respects, 2 FULL DAYS of cricket and NOT get a result.

ps: i dont read the rules unless something like this comes up!! call me an occasional pedantic

Were stumps drawn before 5:15?

No the game finished at 515 as per the rules. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

[bloodybouncer]

BB If you read the rules as much as you say. Can you find the rule for Adjusting Totals or making up time. I cant seem to find it. We played the game to the rules of the Association that we both play in. Not our fault if you think this is wrong

no mate, i cant find them either. thats my point !!!

Ecky, so i am clear, can you pls rebutt all my points in the previous post....especially what constitutes a draw. there is an obvious inconsistency here.

i see obvious issues here. how on earth can u play , in all respects, 2 FULL DAYS of cricket and NOT get a result.

ps: i dont read the rules unless something like this comes up!! call me an occasional pedantic

Were stumps drawn before 5:15?

No the game finished at 515 as per the rules. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

game should be finished at 515 or when the minimum number of overs (equal to the what the opposition faced) is bowled.........whichever is the LATEST.

the fuss is whether the right decsion was made. if the rules say so, then ok. this is definatly a grey area in my opinion. perhaps i am misinterpreting the rules myself...waiting on ecky on this one.

one thing is for sure....i dont want this to happen to me in a final. so lets clear any misconceptions, OR, accept there is some discrepancy here and issue an ammendum to clarify it before finals.

if i was a luthos person, i would be livid!! robbed of possible win.

[spintwin]

After the late start we calculated time remaining and that was 53 overs. We played to 515 beacaus ethey had bowled 53 overs already.i think they ended up bowling 58 iIthink. Ecky has already said it was played to the rules. There is no grey area in this rule. It is in Black and White. As far as i can see there is only one person that has a problem with it.

[Mr Miraculous]

Is it true Central Mission have only one side for the rest of the year. There has been a rumour but no official word from the exec. Ecky have you heard anything???

i think so as another player has left them this week mood there is not good internal verbal fights are starting to happen which is making people leave i have heard

who left this week?

[skywalker]

Fitzroy defeated Paralowie A Grade on forfeit...

Woke up saturday morning to find we only had 5 players in the a grade and playing away in 40 degree heat. Our Captain, 4 a grade players and the Cricket director are all overseas atm and we werent left with any phone numbers so we couldnt get hold of anyone associated in our b grade to come up and play. There was no training tuesday either so there was no way I could get in contact with any b graders. So we had to ring up the Roys and the league to inform them that we just wouldnt be able to field an a grade team. There was no chance in hell after last week (fielding all day with 8 or 9 players) that the 5 of us were willing to travel out to roys and make do with a couple of fill ins.

We make it compulsory for all players to report to our club at noon on gameday to avoid any of this sort of problem and to carpool.

Yeah that makes sense Lightning. In this day and age I find it hard to believe that noone could communicate to other team mates.

[bloodybouncer]

After the late start we calculated time remaining and that was 53 overs. We played to 515 beacaus ethey had bowled 53 overs already.i think they ended up bowling 58 iIthink. Ecky has already said it was played to the rules. There is no grey area in this rule. It is in Black and White. As far as i can see there is only one person that has a problem with it.

mate, have a look at my previous posts. if you faced the minimum number of overs, excellent. u must then finish at 515...fine.

the issues here are several fold...call them grey areas ok??....

first, there was no re-calculation of target score. There are no provisions for this in the rules. Fair?? fair enough at this point....rules are rules.

second....the Rules (notice rule with a capital "r"), say a match is drawn when it is either cancelled or abandoned. this is black and white....not grey. yet 7.1 (a) is a direct contradicition...definate grey.

thirdly, if i wanted to, as a bowling team, i could rock up on the second day with 6 people....and have the rest of my crew rock up 29 minutes after 1pm. we then recalculate the number of overs lost due the "delay", and effectively the chasing team has 6 or 7 overs LESS to chase down the total IF they want to win....otherwise a draw hey?

this is not my team involved, but there are obvious discrepancies....surely.

surely if u dont reach a target total in the given number of overs, regardless of whether the team has been dismissed, it shoudnt be a draw in a two-day format. my opinion.

unless you want to play for a draw of course........

[lefty007]

Is it true Central Mission have only one side for the rest of the year. There has been a rumour but no official word from the exec. Ecky have you heard anything???

i think so as another player has left them this week mood there is not good internal verbal fights are starting to happen which is making people leave i have heard

who left this week?

a player whose been there when i was there years ago and now he wants a fresh start and a change has had enough of the backlash disappointment

[Mr Miraculous]

Is it true Central Mission have only one side for the rest of the year. There has been a rumour but no official word from the exec. Ecky have you heard anything???

i think so as another player has left them this week mood there is not good internal verbal fights are starting to happen which is making people leave i have heard

who left this week?

a player whose been there when i was there years ago and now he wants a fresh start and a change has had enough of the backlash disappointment

can u pm who it is!! Ive spoken to 2 CM people since reading your post and noone knows anything?

[Ecky]

BB If you read the rules as much as you say. Can you find the rule for Adjusting Totals or making up time. I cant seem to find it. We played the game to the rules of the Association that we both play in. Not our fault if you think this is wrong

no mate, i cant find them either. thats my point !!!

Ecky, so i am clear, can you pls rebutt all my points in the previous post....especially what constitutes a draw. there is an obvious inconsistency here.

i see obvious issues here. how on earth can u play , in all respects, 2 FULL DAYS of cricket and NOT get a result.

ps: i dont read the rules unless something like this comes up!! call me an occasional pedantic

I have read through the rules again and the situation seems very clear to me, and everything was followed correctly.

The main issue you have with the interpretation of the rules seems to be with 7.1 b.
However, this match was NOT abandoned or cancelled, hence this rule does not apply. This rule does not imply that the ONLY way a match can be drawn is if it is abandoned or cancelled - they are just two of the ways a match can be drawn, there are obviously also others.

To summarise what happened
1) Time was lost
2) The number of overs was recalculated under rule 6.5 e
3) The allocated overs were bowled and 5:15 was reached.
4) Para Vista hadn't received their entitled overs and were not dismissed so the match is drawn according to rule 7.1 a.

It all seems very clear to me!

The other issues you have are to do with whether you agree with the current rules or not. That is of course open to debate, and you are welcome to put up proposals before next years AGM if you have any improvements.

[bloodybouncer]

BB If you read the rules as much as you say. Can you find the rule for Adjusting Totals or making up time. I cant seem to find it. We played the game to the rules of the Association that we both play in. Not our fault if you think this is wrong

no mate, i cant find them either. thats my point !!!

Ecky, so i am clear, can you pls rebutt all my points in the previous post....especially what constitutes a draw. there is an obvious inconsistency here.

i see obvious issues here. how on earth can u play , in all respects, 2 FULL DAYS of cricket and NOT get a result.

ps: i dont read the rules unless something like this comes up!! call me an occasional pedantic

I have read through the rules again and the situation seems very clear to me, and everything was followed correctly.

The main issue you have with the interpretation of the rules seems to be with 7.1 b.
However, this match was NOT abandoned or cancelled, hence this rule does not apply. This rule does not imply that the ONLY way a match can be drawn is if it is abandoned or cancelled - they are just two of the ways a match can be drawn, there are obviously also others.

To summarise what happened
1) Time was lost
2) The number of overs was recalculated under rule 6.5 e
3) The allocated overs were bowled and 5:15 was reached.
4) Para Vista hadn't received their entitled overs and were not dismissed so the match is drawn according to rule 7.1 a.

It all seems very clear to me!

The other issues you have are to do with whether you agree with the current rules or not. That is of course open to debate, and you are welcome to put up proposals before next years AGM if you have any improvements.

7.1 a, yes.

same old story......"imply". should have used "at the discretion of the executive", or "as the exec see fit"......
why not tag tese catch phrases on to every rule?

like i said, not my team....its yours. you should be more concerned than me.

BUT, fitzroy are going for 3-in-a-row of being screwed over.....lets hope 2009/10 doesnt involve an ill-defined "draw" of some description. enough said by me....feel the wrath later if need be

[Goat Herder]

Here's a thought..

Why don't YOU write the rules and by-laws by which we play BB, coz each season you find a rule or clause which gets on your goat (pun intended) and feel the need the bleat about it?!?

I find the outcome to this match a little bizarre myself, but if an Exec member has stated the rules have been followed to the letter, end of story. At the end of the day, Adel Lutheran only have themselves to blame for not getting their OWN ground ready for play on time. THAT is the issue!

As stated, if you want input about the rules and bylaws, go along to the AGM, and even better, re-write them yourself, so when we find a loophole, we can go to town on it in an open Forum.

On a brighter note, 7 days and 3hrs to the lifting of the snapper ban...

[Pistol]

What happened in Div 1 Vista v Luthos???? Someone told me a draw when vista where 8/140 in reply to luthos 220-odd. Bad light? fight?? someone sook??? very odd......unless my source is pulling my leg.

Also heard the NEK game was abondoned uneccessarily too....hmmm.

unfortunately our pitch was inspected in the morning and it was flooded so the days play was called off

[bloodybouncer]

What happened in Div 1 Vista v Luthos???? Someone told me a draw when vista where 8/140 in reply to luthos 220-odd. Bad light? fight?? someone sook??? very odd......unless my source is pulling my leg.

Also heard the NEK game was abondoned uneccessarily too....hmmm.

unfortunately our pitch was inspected in the morning and it was flooded so the days play was called off

i heard the pitch was ok to play on at 1230 or so, but the decision was made at 10am ?? surely you would decide closer to that starting time...next time

[auto]

What do fitzies get for winning thru the forfeit? If its what ive heard, then thats another furore id like to add to the already loaded library of furores. IF i have my info correct, Fitzies will get 7 points for winning by forfeit, while Para Vista will get 6.4 ish for playing in a drawn match and Lutheran 6.83 for playing in a drawn game. What the. According to Wikipedia, Furore is a town in Italy, but Websters lists a furore as a sudden outburst, so the above points debacle would definetly constitute a furore IF true.

[bloodybouncer]

Here's a thought..

Why don't YOU write the rules and by-laws by which we play BB, coz each season you find a rule or clause which gets on your goat (pun intended) and feel the need the bleat about it?!?

I find the outcome to this match a little bizarre myself, but if an Exec member has stated the rules have been followed to the letter, end of story. At the end of the day, Adel Lutheran only have themselves to blame for not getting their OWN ground ready for play on time. THAT is the issue!

As stated, if you want input about the rules and bylaws, go along to the AGM, and even better, re-write them yourself, so when we find a loophole, we can go to town on it in an open Forum.

On a brighter note, 7 days and 3hrs to the lifting of the snapper ban...

tsk tsk old man...i thought u would know better. just so you (and others) know, i DO write rules in the form of Australian and European Standards that eventually get legislated for...i.e. are law. I think that i have reasonable ground to dispute the rules with some level of accuracy. Its only cos i started to kick up a stink about a few of the rules that they were changed. no harm in that is there?? The exec, in their ultimate wiseness, thought it fit to change to rules in accordance with my recommendations.

but onto more important things.....this blow would be doing us a favour for Dec1 , thats for sure. no boat yet, so it may be te end of the breakwater for me!!....unless u have a spot on the SS WINO ??

[reggie]

What do fitzies get for winning thru the forfeit? If its what ive heard, then thats another furore id like to add to the already loaded library of furores. IF i have my info correct, Fitzies will get 7 points for winning by forfeit, while Para Vista will get 6.4 ish for playing in a drawn match and Lutheran 6.83 for playing in a drawn game. What the. According to Wikipedia, Furore is a town in Italy, but Websters lists a furore as a sudden outburst, so the above points debacle would definetly constitute a furore IF true.

Have to agree Auto can not understand how we (PV) only get 6.4

[Goat Herder]

Here's a thought..

Why don't YOU write the rules and by-laws by which we play BB, coz each season you find a rule or clause which gets on your goat (pun intended) and feel the need the bleat about it?!? quote]

tsk tsk old man...i thought u would know better. just so you (and others) know, i DO write rules in the form of Australian and European Standards that eventually get legislated for...i.e. are law. I think that i have reasonable ground to dispute the rules with some level of accuracy. Its only cos i started to kick up a stink about a few of the rules that they were changed. no harm in that is there?? The exec, in their ultimate wiseness, thought it fit to change to rules in accordance with my recommendations.

but onto more important things.....this blow would be doing us a favour for Dec1 , thats for sure. no boat yet, so it may be te end of the breakwater for me!!....unless u have a spot on the SS WINO ??

Well, it's time to put those immaculate, law-deciphering literary skills to good use then BB, because with your qualifications as testament, you re-writing the CCC&A rules and bylaws would no doubt be as water-tight as a fish's sfincta?? Time to use those powers for good instead of evil.

Reckon I've sussed out a spot that holds the elusive red fellows, so we'll just have to wait until after midday on 30/11. I'm booked on a charter next Monday to dong a few bigg'uns on the noggin, so this time next week I'll be kicking back with a triumphant Johnnie Red & Cola can..

[Phantom Gossiper]

Is it true Central Mission have only one side for the rest of the year. There has been a rumour but no official word from the exec. Ecky have you heard anything???

i think so as another player has left them this week mood there is not good internal verbal fights are starting to happen which is making people leave i have heard

Adrian Drosd? I hear he was involved in a major arguement on the weekend with another player, Adrian was in the wrong from what i heard and didnt like it very much