Cupido wanted more money....go figure

[Coorong]

I think salary cap investigations take place the year following. ie, clubs will be investigated next year for player payments this year. Sooo, if south are going to be over next year with Predagast and Cupido on the books it will be investigated 2008.

By letting him go, they will probably negotiate say 50% of his second year payment, pay it now and it is allocated for 2006, where they probably have a little room to move.

I hope you understand what I am saying. Its been a long day.

[blueandwhite]

I really beleive previous posters have missed the point to some extent.
It seems that any mention of South Adelaide immediately is followed by the words salary cap.
South were found guilty after an investigation of breaching the salary cap in season 2005. They were fined more harshly than any other SANFL club found guilty of this crime(?) ever.
They have not been investigated by the SANFL for salary cap breaches in 2006, despite carping and whinging on a monumental scale by people on this site and others.
Congratulations to the SAFC for bringing to a head the issue of Cupido's performance, or rather the lack of it in 2006.
As a gifted and talented player with AFL experience I'm sure that the club and the supporters expected a great deal more from him in 2006 than what he offered. Stats gurus will point to the fact that he kicked 50+ goals for the year. The problem is that he probably kicked 30 of those goals against Sturt and West who with the greatest respect ,provided only moderate opposition ,especially when he booted 11 against Sturt.
When the "big" games came toward the end of the season he was missing in action, and missing the finals game against Portdue to suspension basically because he got sucked in beautifully.
Sure he has a fair bit of ability but his attitude and fitness are very real concerns for whoever takes him on.

[zipzap]

Bloody South Adelaide, always abusing the salary cap...

[JK]

I really beleive previous posters have missed the point to some extent.
It seems that any mention of South Adelaide immediately is followed by the words salary cap.
South were found guilty after an investigation of breaching the salary cap in season 2005.

Which is probbably the reason why some posters continually mention it as they were caught red handed .. Whether South or anyone else has since broken it who knows (and to be honest who cares??).

I'm sure it's annoying for South fans but trust me mate it could be worse - I'd much rather take jibes about breaking the salary cap than the overdraft limit!

[bayman]

sounds like footy is his only income? will be interesting to see if anyone else forks out the required

THAT LOOKS LIKE LIRA (ITALIAN MONEY) & HE WOULD BE WORTH THAT MUCH LIRA

[am Bays]

I really beleive previous posters have missed the point to some extent.
It seems that any mention of South Adelaide immediately is followed by the words salary cap.
South were found guilty after an investigation of breaching the salary cap in season 2005. They were fined more harshly than any other SANFL club found guilty of this crime(?) ever.
They have not been investigated by the SANFL for salary cap breaches in 2006, despite carping and whinging on a monumental scale by people on this site and others.

No we get the point,

2005 you were over
2006 at this point in time you have not been found to be over the cap but you will probably be close to the limit given that your quality of your ins for 2006 matches your outs for 2005 so I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are under just.

In October 2006 you announce the recruitment of Prendergast, with no outs named therefore to stay under the cap some changes would have to be made......an opportunity arose to get rid of Cupidoll, so off he went....

Do you really think you would be able to stay under the cap in 2007 with both Cupidoll and Prendergast on your list when both were shopped around and all clubs and most of the posters on this site know what their asking prices were? Someone had to go and in one foul swoop South have created plenty of room under their cap for 2007 by getting rid of Cupidoll.

FWIW I think South are the winner out of this as I rather play South with Cupidoll than Prendergast as you correctly pointed out when given room and against weaker opposition he is quite damaging but against better and more disciplined opponents he goes missing....

[Punk Rooster]

let's not forget the cap has risen, from $305K to $360K, which would give all clubs relief (except maybe Port).
Understandbly, South still decided/needed to make more room.

[am Bays]

Is it $360K next year? I thought it was $320 K next year, $340 K the year after that and $360 K in 2009?

As usual I could be wrong.....

[Punk Rooster]

Is it $360K next year? I thought it was $320 K next year, $340 K the year after that and $360 K in 2009?

As usual I could be wrong.....

you could be right, I may have got things slightly wrong.

[mal]

Is it $360K next year? I thought it was $320 K next year, $340 K the year after that and $360 K in 2009?

As usual I could be wrong.....

you could be right, I may have got things slightly wrong.

Livingston I presume.

[SimonH]

$340,000 next year, and then the SANFL seems to be playing Reserve Bank by assuming that inflation will be very low for the 2 years after that. (If it's not, there'll be a cut in the cap in real dollar terms in 2008/9.)

[Jimmy]

sounds like footy is his only income? will be interesting to see if anyone else forks out the required

THAT LOOKS LIKE LIRA (ITALIAN MONEY) & HE WOULD BE WORTH THAT MUCH LIRA

LIRA??? hows ya eyes bayman

its the greenback mate

[Squawk]

If you look carefully, the pic is looped - the wad never dimishes in size! I need one of those wads!

[am Bays]

Back on topic, is there a possibility that the excessive fine (according to South supporters) inflicted on South for their 2005 breaches actually includes a component for being over the cap in 2006?

My reasons for this are: there is a confidentiallity clause which means we'll never know the true findings of the SANFLs investigation, that once the SANFL were aware of Souths MO with respect to "rorting of the cap" South decided to put their hand up and admit to 2006 breaches on the proviso it is kept confidential.

If you troll back through the SANFL site and their media releases you find that there is 2 days difference between the SANFL annoucing Souths fine and an amnesty on clubs putting their hands up for any 2006 breaches and copping a 75% reduction in the fine. Has the SANFL, in the interests of fairness, given the other clubs the opportunity to put their hand up for 2006 breeches in the same way South may have?

So in fact the $50 K may be for both 2005 & 2006 breaches, and now they are having to offload players (Cupidoll) to ensure they are under for 2007.

FWIW I think South have done it smart, they got white-anted by an ex-player and his partner so they were caught red handed so to speak, rather than risking a bigger fine for being over in 2006 they got a 'reduced" sentance by admitting their guilt as it would have been relatively easy for the SANFL to find the same "rorts" in 2006 qs they did in 2005. The bonus was that they could play the year out knowing they were playing over the odds and made the fnals.

Good Luck to South if that is the case for making the best out of bad situation.

[Aerie]

Back on topic, is there a possibility that the excessive fine (according to South supporters) inflicted on South for their 2005 beaches actually includes a component for being over the cap in 2006?

I didn't hear about that fine? Fair enough though, too many cliffs and not enough sand IMO.

[qwerty]

Interesting to read in the southern times that cupido said he had the full support of the playing group in this issue. The fact that he was contracted for 2yrs and then south have altered this contract may have made some of the others in the playing group unhappy as it could happen to anyone. I suppose it comes down if there where any clauses in the contract about it if not could he sue?

[BPBRB]

Interesting to read in the southern times that cupido said he had the full support of the playing group in this issue. The fact that he was contracted for 2yrs and then south have altered this contract may have made some of the others in the playing group unhappy as it could happen to anyone. I suppose it comes down if there where any clauses in the contract about it if not could he sue?

A "technical" clause about his conditioning was what South used to re-work his contract as they believed he breached one part of his expected contractual obligation/undertaking. He didn't accept that - fair enough I suppose but contracts are a two way street despite how technical the wording or intent may be. I understand he is seeking legal advice and this whole situation could get ugly down the track.

A number of other clubs (including players) are watching the outcome closely as it could affect some of their existing player contracts from both parties point of view re the onus on both parties to fulfiull or abide by contractual insertions.

[am Bays]

[ I understand he is seeking legal advice and this whole situation could get ugly down the track.

Has he got a 2nd aka actual contract under his bed a la Tuckey.....?????

[mighty_tiger_79]

heard CUPIDOLL on DUMB and DUMBER earlier and its interesting that SOUTH wont come out and say anything about it apart from the press release?

great management at NOARLUNGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CUPIDO mentioned that during the year his weight wasnt an issue and he wasnt dropped, yet at the end of the year SOUTH mentioned his weight and made it an issue and that was it!!!!!!!

I think south wanted him gone to make room for the salary cap

[blueandwhite]

South wanted him gone to make room........