Mitsubishi Outlander or Ford Territory

[Felch]

where do the rest of the 93 kids sit??

He actually meant you... and that you take up the whole back seat..

Love you

Last and only time I was in that car, I reckon I was in the boot and so were another 1 or 2 blokes!!

Correct !

[devilsadvocate]

I wouldn't touch either.
If you're ever going to go off road seriously, get a good 2nd hand Toyota Landcruiser Troop Carrier
They're absolutely bullet proof with 11 seats & only sips the 180 litres of diesel on board.
Once you fill up, you've got a month to drive around before looking for the best discounted
fuel prices at the various truck stops around Adelaide.

I had well over a tonne and a half of boat behind mine and didn't even know it was there.
Wish I'd kept mine now. They reckon those big 4.2lt diesel engines aren't even 'run in' until
you've done 300,000 klicks.

We did Qld. & Tassie, as well as local use and 'The Beast' (vehicle not wife) never missed a beat.
If the pennies will allow some day, I'd go for one of the new V8 Turbo Diesels.
It's nearly time to think about retiring and hanging a big van off the back of a Troopie
for the obligatory 'All Aussie Trek', prior to taking the long dirt nap.

Spot on.

That's my plan exactly in about 5-6 years.
I'm keen as mustard to get up and see the Kimberly, Kakadu, Arkaroola, plus plenty of other sweet Aussie spots from Far NQ to SE WA. I can't think of a better car to do it in than a Troopie. Landcruiser would go close, but a bit thirstier and smaller.

Chuck a tinnie on the roof, kit out a trailer with suspension and all the fittings and just hit the road.

[SABRE]

Cheers ‘dev’,
I suppose you’re drooling over all the caravan and motorhome mags too mate.

Don’t forget the caravan & camping show coming up in February, though I’m probably preaching to the converted.
I haven’t quite got to the ‘counting the sleeps’ stage, but I’m not far off.

Might see ya’ at the show.

[Turbo]

We have been looking for a new SUV for my wife and have checked out most of those mentioned in this thread. We decided that the Captiva and CX7 has limited boot space and the cx9 is too expensive for what it has to offer. I was keen on what the new Outlander offered but upon inspection boot space was limited. Murano the same.
A couple of friends have Sorrento's and swear by them. They have low range as well which was a plus.
We decided upon the new Hyundai Santa Fe that has been only out since mid December. It is nothing like the previous model except some structural similarities. I was amazed with all the options it provides. It is turbo diesel with plenty of low down grunt but its combined fuel usage stands at 7.6L per 100km. We opted for the top of the range Highlander model with all the bells and whistles but this comes at a cost where we won't be receiving any change from $50,000.
I would recommend anyone looking at buying a SUV to have a look at the Santa Fe and be pleasantly surprised.

[lesthemechanic]

In answer to your original question...The Outlander.

[devilsadvocate]

Cheers ‘dev’,
I suppose you’re drooling over all the caravan and motorhome mags too mate.

Don’t forget the caravan & camping show coming up in February, though I’m probably preaching to the converted.
I haven’t quite got to the ‘counting the sleeps’ stage, but I’m not far off.

Might see ya’ at the show.

I'm miles away from doing my planned trip, but the thought of it keeps me pushing through the everyday monotony of life.

Thanks for the reminder re caravan and camping show. Will definitely try to get along and check it out.

[Psyber]

This might influence the choice of maker - it appears Ford have been hiding design defects, patching them on the quiet, and leaving past customers high and dry as soon as they've got them past warranty expiry:
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/articl ... -ford-cars

[mick]

This might influence the choice of maker - it appears Ford have been hiding design defects, patching them on the quiet, and leaving past customers high and dry as soon as they've got them past warranty expiry:
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/articl ... -ford-cars

Apparently because of mounting pressure, Ford is doing a recall on the Territory, because of a very dodgy and dangerous front suspension component. When the first Falcon came to Australia in the early 1960s it also was blessed with a poor front suspension. Nothing is new

[Psyber]

This might influence the choice of maker - it appears Ford have been hiding design defects, patching them on the quiet, and leaving past customers high and dry as soon as they've got them past warranty expiry: http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/articl ... -ford-cars

Apparently because of mounting pressure, Ford is doing a recall on the Territory, because of a very dodgy and dangerous front suspension component. When the first Falcon came to Australia in the early 1960s it also was blessed with a poor front suspension. Nothing is new

Am I right in assuming they were not ethical enough to recall those unless forced to then too?

[Ian]

Cheers guys. I know that the Territory is a bit thirsty but the in-laws don't think its as bad as what people say.

I would have to agree with that, a lot of it (particullary town driving) depends on how far you put your foot down, on a long trip in the ones we had at work, normally between 11 and 12l/100km, I took a turbo diesel navara away last week it it only got 13 at best, 14 into a head wind

[mick]

This might influence the choice of maker - it appears Ford have been hiding design defects, patching them on the quiet, and leaving past customers high and dry as soon as they've got them past warranty expiry: http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/articl ... -ford-cars

Apparently because of mounting pressure, Ford is doing a recall on the Territory, because of a very dodgy and dangerous front suspension component. When the first Falcon came to Australia in the early 1960s it also was blessed with a poor front suspension. Nothing is new

Am I right in assuming they were not ethical enough to recall those unless forced to then too?

Possibly but TodayTonight seemed to think it was all their doing that Ford decided to call an unconditional recall even for vehicles out of warranty. However they are not going to reimburse people who rectified this fault at their own expense.

[Ian]

However they are not going to reimburse people who rectified this fault at their own expense.

That would be very normal for most manufacturers, and most have recall issues at some time or other, look at Toyota at the moment and I would consider them to be one of the best manufacturers in the world.

If anyone wants to check out vehicle recalls for different manufacturers there are hundreds

http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/952855/fromItemId/952839

[Psyber]

My early Ssangyongg Musso, then being sold as the Mercedes AWD, was recalled twice by letter from Mercedes for faults that had not appeared yet in my car.
Each time I was requested to contact my dealer to have it rectified free, before I had a problem develop.
One was a small front suspension component that bent and caused rattles and balance issues, and the other was a paint work issue.
That's the sort of thing that makes you consider their vehicles again.

On the other hand Porsche did ignore an issue with the quickly wearing thruster bearing in the clutch with some of their more powerful models.
That may have been partly because there was no way of fixing it until 1993 when they did a major redesign and made the body a little longer to accommodate an hydraulic clutch.

[lesthemechanic]

Ford are one of the slowest at recalling their vehicles, it took an age for them to recall Territories & BA Falcons for a brake hose problem that saw many of those vehicle tear hoses apart because they were too short.
The ball joint problem on the Territory is the same deal, until the media got hold of it, Ford were not all that interested in looking after their customers.
No manufacturer enjoys recalling vehicles, but safety faults should be dealt with more urgently than they are at times.

[dedja]

Ford are one of the slowest at recalling their vehicles ...

And Holden aren't much better either. They had a chronic oil seal issue in their GenIII 5.7L engines in the VT era but refused to do a recall because the problem usually manifested itself at around 25,000K and they hoped that it would fall outside of the 3 year warranty.

[gadj1976]

Ford are one of the slowest at recalling their vehicles ...

And Holden aren't much better either. They had a chronic oil seal issue in their GenIII 5.7L engines in the VT era but refused to do a recall because the problem usually manifested itself at around 25,000K and they hoped that it would fall outside of the 3 year warranty.

3yr vs 25000k? You're kidding? You'd do 25000k in the first year or so normally.

[dedja]

Some do, especially if you're a rep, but the average is probably under 15,000 for most people.

The problem would usually start to occur around the 25,000-30,000K mark, and Holden would drag it out as much as possible to avoid repairing it under warranty. I knew a few that had the VT SS with this exact issue and one had an ongoing argument with Holden for over 12 months.

[lesthemechanic]

Ford are one of the slowest at recalling their vehicles ...

And Holden aren't much better either. They had a chronic oil seal issue in their GenIII 5.7L engines in the VT era but refused to do a recall because the problem usually manifested itself at around 25,000K and they hoped that it would fall outside of the 3 year warranty.

Correct, and it wasn't so much of an oil seal fault as a crankshaft fault....an expensive repair. AND the cylinder bores were not machined very well resulting in excessive oil consumption ( oil burning via combustion )

[gadj1976]

Some do, especially if you're a rep, but the average is probably under 15,000 for most people.

The problem would usually start to occur around the 25,000-30,000K mark, and Holden would drag it out as much as possible to avoid repairing it under warranty. I knew a few that had the VT SS with this exact issue and one had an ongoing argument with Holden for over 12 months.

digressing obviously - but I had a VZ Monaro and despite superficial electrical problems, and a STUPID boot assembly, it was GOLD!

Besides Felch I've heard nothing good about the Territory. I'm still in the hunt for a new car and I'm still thinking the Kluger or a bit smaller version maybe the Captiva (only cos I could get a massive discount).

[dedja]

Correct, and it wasn't so much of an oil seal fault as a crankshaft fault....an expensive repair. AND the cylinder bores were not machined very well resulting in excessive oil consumption ( oil burning via combustion )

Thanks for correcting ... it was indeed excessive oil consumption.

Anyway, back on topic.