Para District Cricket Association 2009-10

[Lightning McQueen]

i think a lot of players would leave if a 6 team comp was in place. it just wouldnt be as exciting and boring playing the same team 30 times a year

It got boring with 8 sides over the last 15-16 years... The 12 teams per grade in Adelaide Turf is awesome.

that would be awesome

It would've worked this season, but not last season, the top 12 clubs are a lot closer talentwise this season.
84, I'll post a mock draw for next season sometime today for the div 1/ div 1 res etc. This will be a proposal they we'll be presenting at the de-briefing and AGM.

[Lightning McQueen]

This season is just hitting finals and people are already deciding what they're doing next season. Anyone from a non-finals contending club (wouldnt want to upset any teams going into finals ) know of anyone already planning a change of scenery for next season?

One of our B grade players has already informed us he is changing clubs for 2010/2011

Who and where? It seems a little premature to making such a bold announcement. We have 10 players that we have spoken to, obviously we wont get all of them, even if we did they couldn't all fit into our A grade.
It's a tough line, if you spend too much time enticing one or two players to come out and they don't, you might miss the boat on some lower choices that you were after.

[Executive Member]

i think a lot of players would leave if a 6 team comp was in place. it just wouldnt be as exciting and boring playing the same team 30 times a year

It got boring with 8 sides over the last 15-16 years... The 12 teams per grade in Adelaide Turf is awesome.

that would be awesome

It would've worked this season, but not last season, the top 12 clubs are a lot closer talentwise this season.
84, I'll post a mock draw for next season sometime today for the div 1/ div 1 res etc. This will be a proposal they we'll be presenting at the de-briefing and AGM.

not sure you can say the top 12 teams are close ATCO got bowled out for 16 in one game and struggled all year along with Salisbury North - I think the top 1 stands out then a gap with the next 3 along with a gap to the next 8 - although hard to comment on Grade 2 sides when we dont see them but based on this year with A/Vale & S/North comming up they have struggled

[Lightning McQueen]

not sure you can say the top 12 teams are close ATCO got bowled out for 16 in one game and struggled all year along with Salisbury North - I think the top 1 stands out then a gap with the next 3 along with a gap to the next 8 - although hard to comment on Grade 2 sides when we dont see them but based on this year with A/Vale & S/North comming up they have struggled

I said "closer", of course there are going to be exceptions, yeah ATCO got rolled for bugger all, they also lost to Salisbury West by a run or two in the one-dayer.
It will take years to combat the difference between Westies and the rest of the clubs, I think it's healthy to have such a high benchmark for other clubs to have to reach for success.
Regardless of how Salisbury North went this season, we don't plan on going up to make the numbers. Angle Vale weren't disgraced, they lost a few players over the off-season and still produced some good efforts, they only lost by 32 runs in round one against you guys on your deck and they were quite depleted.
The batting standard of Grade 2 has been high this season, most clubs seem to lack potency with their 4th & 5th bowlers, you can combet this in two-dayers but not in the limited over games.

[Lightning McQueen]

Proposed Gradings for 2010/11
These are based on minor round finishes for this season. I've included what grade the team played this season and where they finished. It is also based on having the exact same teams in for next season.
A1
Salisbury West 1(1)
One Tree Hill 1(2)
Rose & Crown 1(3)
Brahma Lodge 1(4)
Virginia 1(5)
Angle Vale 1(6)
Smithfield 2(1)
Parafield Gardens 2(2)
A1 Res
Salisbury West 2(6)
One Tree Hill 3(3)
Rose & Crown 4(5)
Brahma Lodge 3(1)
Virginia 5(2)
Angle Vale 3(2)
Smithfield 3(6)
Parafield Gardens 4(1)

A2
ATCO 1(7)
Salisbury North 1(8)
Playford 2(3)
Central United 2(4)
Craigmore 2(5)
Riverside 2(7)
Eastern Park 2(8)
Elizabeth East 3(8)**
A2 Res
ATCO 4(2)
Salisbury North 4(4)
Playford 5(3)
Central United 3(4)
Craigmore 3(5)
Riverside 6(5)
Eastern Park 4(7)
Elizabeth East 4(8)**

** Denotes they could possibly change with either Para Teachers who should be regaining some quality players, North Pines or Two Wells could be other possibilities.

I'll post the remainder later on.

[Lightning McQueen]

The next couple of divisions gets tricky as there are clubs with only 1 side and some that have lower teams in the one-day divisions.

A3
Wasleys 3(8)
Salisbury West C 4(3)
Brahma Lodge C 4(6)
Salisbury North C 5(1)
North Pines 5(4)
Para Teachers 5(5)
Two Wells 6(1)
Craigmore 6(2)
A3 Res
Central United C 5(7)........To cater for Wasleys only having one side.
Salisbury West D 5(6)
Smithfield C 5(8).........To cater for Brahma Lodge having D's in the one-day comp.
Angle Vale C 6(3).........To cater for Salisbury North having D's in the one-day comp.
North Pines B 6(8)
ATCO C 6(6)...........To cater for Para Teachers only having one side.
Rose & Crown C 6(7)...........To cater for Two Wells having B's in the one-day comp.

This would leave Salisbury West's E grade without a grade at this stage, we would need clubs with only one side to hopefully have two next season or for clubs to opt for two day comps instead of the one-dayers.
I would probably call these two grades something other than A3 & A3 reserves aswell.

[Executive Member]

not sure you can say the top 12 teams are close ATCO got bowled out for 16 in one game and struggled all year along with Salisbury North - I think the top 1 stands out then a gap with the next 3 along with a gap to the next 8 - although hard to comment on Grade 2 sides when we dont see them but based on this year with A/Vale & S/North comming up they have struggled

I said "closer", of course there are going to be exceptions, yeah ATCO got rolled for bugger all, they also lost to Salisbury West by a run or two in the one-dayer.
It will take years to combat the difference between Westies and the rest of the clubs, I think it's healthy to have such a high benchmark for other clubs to have to reach for success.
Regardless of how Salisbury North went this season, we don't plan on going up to make the numbers. Angle Vale weren't disgraced, they lost a few players over the off-season and still produced some good efforts, they only lost by 32 runs in round one against you guys on your deck and they were quite depleted. The batting standard of Grade 2 has been high this season, most clubs seem to lack potency with their 4th & 5th bowlers, you can combet this in two-dayers but not in the limited over games.

need to look at our side of which 6 are not in the A Grade side any longer
However saying that it is how competitive you can be over 14 rounds not one or two games a year
like I said there is a big gap between the top four in Div 1 and the bottom four

[Lightning McQueen]

Here's a full wrap up of this weeks semi's.
Grade 1
1 vs 4 Salisbury West A vs Brahma Lodge A @ Salisbury West
2 vs 3 One Tree Hill A vs Rose & Crown A @ One Tree Hill
Grade 2
1 vs 4 Smithfield A vs Central United A @ Smithfield
2 vs 3 Parafield Gardens A vs Playford A @ Parafield Gardens
Grade 3
1 vs 4 Brahma Lodge B vs Central United B @ Brahma Lodge
2 vs 3 Angle Vale B vs One Tree Hill B @ Angle Vale P.S.
Grade 4
1 vs 4 Parafield Gardens B vs Salisbury North B @ Ridley Reserve
2 vs 3 ATCO B vs Salisbury West C @ Dauntsey
Grade 5
1 vs 4 Salisbury North C vs North Pines A @ Salisbury North
2 vs 3 Virginia B vs Playford B @ Virginia
Grade 6
1 vs 4 Two Wells A vs Salisbury West E @ Two Wells
2 vs 3 Craigmore C vs Angle Vale C @ Craigmore
Grade 7
1 vs 4 Modbury A vs Brahma Lodge D @ The Heights
2 vs 3 North Pines C vs Parafield Gardens C @ North Pines
Grade 8
1 vs 4 One Tree Hill C vs Craigmore D @ Ridley Reserve
2 vs 3 Central United D vs Two Wells B @ Mofflin Reserve

Feel free to tip away or give some insight to any matches.

[Groover]

I like the look of the proposed A1 2 and 3s system LM, top stuff!

[Lightning McQueen]

I like the look of the proposed A1 2 and 3s system LM, top stuff!

Cheers mate, I hope the club delegates like it, it would make programming easier and i don't think it's a good thing when clubs have teams in consecutive grades, it makes a premiership pointless.

[james07]

I like the look of the proposed A1 2 and 3s system LM, top stuff!

Cheers mate, I hope the club delegates like it, it would make programming easier and i don't think it's a good thing when clubs have teams in consecutive grades, it makes a premiership pointless.

whats the thoughts behind the A1 and Res system

[Iwasthere84]

This season is just hitting finals and people are already deciding what they're doing next season. Anyone from a non-finals contending club (wouldnt want to upset any teams going into finals ) know of anyone already planning a change of scenery for next season?

One of our B grade players has already informed us he is changing clubs for 2010/2011

Pro active people never stop thinking ahead

[Lightning McQueen]

I like the look of the proposed A1 2 and 3s system LM, top stuff!

Cheers mate, I hope the club delegates like it, it would make programming easier and i don't think it's a good thing when clubs have teams in consecutive grades, it makes a premiership pointless.

whats the thoughts behind the A1 and Res system

To try and eliminate clubs A grade teams playing against othe clubs D grade.

[cokadonkeytoo]

Proposed Gradings for 2010/11
These are based on minor round finishes for this season. I've included what grade the team played this season and where they finished. It is also based on having the exact same teams in for next season.
A1
Salisbury West 1(1)
One Tree Hill 1(2)
Rose & Crown 1(3)
Brahma Lodge 1(4)
Virginia 1(5)
Angle Vale 1(6)
Smithfield 2(1)
Parafield Gardens 2(2)
A1 Res
Salisbury West 2(6)
One Tree Hill 3(3)
Rose & Crown 4(5)
Brahma Lodge 3(1)
Virginia 5(2)
Angle Vale 3(2)
Smithfield 3(6)
Parafield Gardens 4(1)

A2
ATCO 1(7)
Salisbury North 1(8)
Playford 2(3)
Central United 2(4)
Craigmore 2(5)
Riverside 2(7)
Eastern Park 2(8)
Elizabeth East 3(8)**
A2 Res
ATCO 4(2)
Salisbury North 4(4)
Playford 5(3)
Central United 3(4)
Craigmore 3(5)
Riverside 6(5)
Eastern Park 4(7)
Elizabeth East 4(8)**

** Denotes they could possibly change with either Para Teachers who should be regaining some quality players, North Pines or Two Wells could be other possibilities.

I'll post the remainder later on.

i reckon your correct LM teachers will regain a few players maybe enough to fill two sides, mind you the quality that comes back will be too high for grade 5, is it possible if they get the numbers that they could re apply for grade 3 or something?

[Lightning McQueen]

i reckon your correct LM teachers will regain a few players maybe enough to fill two sides, mind you the quality that comes back will be too high for grade 5, is it possible if they get the numbers that they could re apply for grade 3 or something?

They have to wait one more season to get all of their players back, next season they'll have few more eligible given their current grade. If they go up a grade though, they will be allowed to get ALL of their former players back.
I would imagine that the PDCA would have no hesitation in allowing them to play at a higher level, it's generally clubs wanting to go down grades.

[cokadonkeytoo]

i reckon your correct LM teachers will regain a few players maybe enough to fill two sides, mind you the quality that comes back will be too high for grade 5, is it possible if they get the numbers that they could re apply for grade 3 or something?

They have to wait one more season to get all of their players back, next season they'll have few more eligible given their current grade. If they go up a grade though, they will be allowed to get ALL of their former players back.
I would imagine that the PDCA would have no hesitation in allowing them to play at a higher level, it's generally clubs wanting to go down grades.

i know trav frederick is definately going back next year, maybe a few of the older lads like venn, stroud, and even wakey. i can just imagine them getting merv and suridge and browney back and they might just push back up through the divisions

[Lightning McQueen]

i reckon your correct LM teachers will regain a few players maybe enough to fill two sides, mind you the quality that comes back will be too high for grade 5, is it possible if they get the numbers that they could re apply for grade 3 or something?

They have to wait one more season to get all of their players back, next season they'll have few more eligible given their current grade. If they go up a grade though, they will be allowed to get ALL of their former players back.
I would imagine that the PDCA would have no hesitation in allowing them to play at a higher level, it's generally clubs wanting to go down grades.

i know trav frederick is definately going back next year, maybe a few of the older lads like venn, stroud, and even wakey. i can just imagine them getting merv and suridge and browney back and they might just push back up through the divisions

The ones that played in their B's will be allowed back next season, the ones that played A's will have to wait another season unless the go to grade 4 and then it will be all good.

[james07]

I like the look of the proposed A1 2 and 3s system LM, top stuff!

Cheers mate, I hope the club delegates like it, it would make programming easier and i don't think it's a good thing when clubs have teams in consecutive grades, it makes a premiership pointless.

whats the thoughts behind the A1 and Res system

To try and eliminate clubs A grade teams playing against othe clubs D grade.

Im not sure that should be a problem, if a clubs D grade is as good as another A grade then its fine but the problem comes about when groups of players move to a lower grade side or new teams come in i always liked the promotion relegation system as it will always give a team a chance

[Lightning McQueen]

Im not sure that should be a problem, if a clubs D grade is as good as another A grade then its fine but the problem comes about when groups of players move to a lower grade side or new teams come in i always liked the promotion relegation system as it will always give a team a chance

Well it is a problem, Two Wells, Grade 1 last season, Grade 6 this season, 16 points clear on top. There are more examples that I'm not going into, the relegation/promotion system is showing glitches, our C's have been hopeless the last couple of seasons and have had to stay in Grade 5 whilst A grade teams below them flog their opponents and our kids are subject to grade 1 quality bowlers zipping balls around their ears and loving it.

[james07]

Im not sure that should be a problem, if a clubs D grade is as good as another A grade then its fine but the problem comes about when groups of players move to a lower grade side or new teams come in i always liked the promotion relegation system as it will always give a team a chance

Well it is a problem, Two Wells, Grade 1 last season, Grade 6 this season, 16 points clear on top. There are more examples that I'm not going into, the relegation/promotion system is showing glitches, our C's have been hopeless the last couple of seasons and have had to stay in Grade 5 whilst A grade teams below them flog their opponents and our kids are subject to grade 1 quality bowlers zipping balls around their ears and loving it.

sounds like the system is ok but how its is run is where it breaks down maybe a closer monitoring of player movements would help this. As the proposed format could mean some A grades sides move up but their B Grade will get flogged hence players could move on