SA v Qld - Pura Cup

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Postby MagicKiwi » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:22 pm

blink wrote:Speaking of people not playing, does anyone know why Martin Love isn't? Is he injured as well?


He is out with illness blink, a virus of some sort.
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Postby MagicKiwi » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:59 pm

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Postby blink » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:29 pm

MagicKiwi wrote:
blink wrote:Speaking of people not playing, does anyone know why Martin Love isn't? Is he injured as well?


He is out with illness blink, a virus of some sort.


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Postby Rik E Boy » Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:31 pm

Go the Redbacks! I'm getting plenty of mileage paying out the boys in the office LOL.

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Postby MightyEagles » Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:57 pm

I think the win on Wednesday has something to do with what has happened today.
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Postby Adelaide Hawk » Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:19 pm

MightyEagles wrote:I think the win on Wednesday has something to do with what has happened today.


Not sure about that, Elliott made a duck.

Qld 192, SA 1/8

I walked into Adelaide Oval tonight to see the last 2 Qld batsmen had added 57 for the final wicket. First ball I saw, Doran was bowled by Rofe. I decided to leave, so I missed Elliott's duck. Still, Harris is there with a very capable night watchman Cullen Bailey so I would hope SA can get the points.

Then I walked back to the city to have some dinner in the City Cross. I saw that the last 2 Poms had added 40. First ball I saw, Harmison caught by Lee off Clark. Then I grabbed my meal and sat down. Out comes the Aussie openers, and Langer bowled by Hoggard 1st ball. Then Channel 9 went to the news.

So I saw 3 balls, and 3 wickets fell.. Can I claim a hat trick? :)

Seriously, great to see Dizzy back amongst the wickets, and it's good to see a steady improvement in Redbacks performances over the past 2-3 games. Let's hope Cossy sticks it right up the lot of us by making a big 100.
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Postby mal » Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:31 pm

QLD 192
WATSON 5 :oops:
HOPES 3 :oops:
WERE 7/77 that tail wagged again, they are amazing at that
GILLESPIE 22 OVERS 5/41 reaching former dizzy heights
ROFE 21 OVERS 2/39 a welcome return to form
HARRIS 11 OVERS 0/14 ?
COSGROVE 9 OVERS 2/22 what a first change bowler
BAILEY 13 OVERS 1/49 disapointing
CULLEN 11 OVERS 0/25 kept pressure on
LEHMANN 1 OVER 0/1 under bowled

SA 1/8
ELLIOTT 0 matchwinner or matchloser in 2006/2007 :!:
HARRIS 1*
BAILEY 6* nightwatchman

BOOF bowls COSGROVE because there is no 3rd seamer so I cant have a go at that.
Good effort to skittle them for 192
Only mistake might have been HARRIS 11 overs LEHMANN 1 over :?:
DIZZY 5/41 back to his best :D

We are in a good position to win this game, but for the 2nd game in a row the
opposition tail thwarted us
TAS 7/190 made 305 last week[cost us an outright] :evil:
QLD 7/77 made 192 today :twisted:

Should get 280 odd tomorrow with a lead of nearly 100
Someone has to convert a start to 100 tomorrow
We will need about 100 lead as I expect QLD to bat better on the 2nd innings.

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NSW 249
JAQUES 57 solid effort
LAMBERT 51 first game for ages, a handy allrounder, was touted a superstar 3 years ago
HADDIN 66 another batting exhibition whilst Gilchrist made 0 in the test...hmn.
LEWIS 17 OVERS 4/52 we forgot he could bowl
WHITE 8 OVERS 0/24
HARWOOD 6/51 hollywood hurricane harwood the 31 year old dynamo, probably the most
underated quick in the domestic comps when fit and firing.

VIC 0/18

Amazing collapse by NSW at 5/247 with HADDIN firing they would have expected about 350 odd
BUT they lost 5 wickets for 2 runs = all out 249
Hollywood HARWOOD a couple of times a year is capable of bowling fast and furious
HARWOOD a great 6/51

Even contest can expect a lead of about 50 odd if they get 300
If NSW get a lead of 250 odd, MACGILL on day 4 could be the matchwinner.

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My boys had an off day

WATSON 5 :oops:
HOPES 3 :oops:
WHITE 0/28 :roll:
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Postby Adelaide Hawk » Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:41 pm

Mal, 0/28 is a pretty good day for White :)
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Postby RustyCage » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:23 pm

Dissapointed with the final session today. No way should Qld have had a 57 run last wicket partnership. Cullen and Bailey got smacked around and never looked like taking the wicket. Dizzy, Rofe, Cosgrove, or Harris should have been bowling. Too often Boof goes to the slower bowlers (Cullen, Bailey or himself) to wrap up the tail, and always take a while to get the final wicket. Happened against Tasmania as well.

Looked like Elliott got a good ball early on in his innings and it took his wicket. Can't hold it against him. Doesn't matter how good or bad your form is, get a good ball early on and your in trouble, ala Ponting in Perth.
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Postby mal » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:49 pm

pafc1870 wrote:Dissapointed with the final session today. No way should Qld have had a 57 run last wicket partnership. Cullen and Bailey got smacked around and never looked like taking the wicket. Dizzy, Rofe, Cosgrove, or Harris should have been bowling. Too often Boof goes to the slower bowlers (Cullen, Bailey or himself) to wrap up the tail, and always take a while to get the final wicket. Happened against Tasmania as well.

Looked like Elliott got a good ball early on in his innings and it took his wicket. Can't hold it against him. Doesn't matter how good or bad your form is, get a good ball early on and your in trouble, ala Ponting in Perth.


What your trying to say PAFC is that ELLIOTT has been getting good balls in the
pura cup for 2 years non stop :?:

Pura Cup attacks have made him look silly for too long now
Not one 100 for SA in the longer form

His 2 x 100s this year were against attacks without thier regular opening bowling attacks
in the o/d format.

ELLIOTT has proven me wrong in the o/d games.
But he needs big runs vrs good bowlers before I will say I am completely wrong
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Postby RustyCage » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:46 am

mal wrote:
pafc1870 wrote:Dissapointed with the final session today. No way should Qld have had a 57 run last wicket partnership. Cullen and Bailey got smacked around and never looked like taking the wicket. Dizzy, Rofe, Cosgrove, or Harris should have been bowling. Too often Boof goes to the slower bowlers (Cullen, Bailey or himself) to wrap up the tail, and always take a while to get the final wicket. Happened against Tasmania as well.

Looked like Elliott got a good ball early on in his innings and it took his wicket. Can't hold it against him. Doesn't matter how good or bad your form is, get a good ball early on and your in trouble, ala Ponting in Perth.


What your trying to say PAFC is that ELLIOTT has been getting good balls in the
pura cup for 2 years non stop :?:

Pura Cup attacks have made him look silly for too long now
Not one 100 for SA in the longer form

His 2 x 100s this year were against attacks without thier regular opening bowling attacks
in the o/d format.

ELLIOTT has proven me wrong in the o/d games.
But he needs big runs vrs good bowlers before I will say I am completely wrong


I totally agree Mal, but having to survive 6 overs at the end of the day is very difficult, and he got a good ball in the second over of the innings. The point I was making is I won't lynch him for it, or add it to his increasing list of failures. If it was second over of the day, sure lynch him, but not 4 overs from stumps. Its a no win situation for the batsmen.
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Postby mal » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:06 am

QLD were 9/145 and ELLIOTT dropped JOHNSON at mid off
His fielding is poor this year
He cant take extra runs because of either age or a wonky knee when batting

He needs to bat in the middle order in p/cup games these days as he has too
many 0-10 innings and thus putting pressure on the babybacks after him.

Might have been a good ball PAFC and an excuse yesterday, but we need to
anaylise all his p/cup innings the last 2 years.

He has had a wonderful career, but ever since that collision with Mark Waugh in
a test match his career has been sliding.
It appears that the knee injury sustained from that collision has greatly impeded his best .
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Postby sydney-dog » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:22 am

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There was a report on Fox last night that the SACA has attached the team through the media

Apparently the SACA have raised questions in regards to Boof's Captaincy, also stating this will be Boof's last year as Captain

In addition there is concerns on the off field leadership and discipline of the side.

This has apparently put a wedge between the SACA and the players

If true I am expecting a big shape up at the end of the year

Do you have any news on this story
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Postby mal » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:37 am

sydney-dog wrote:Mal

There was a report on Fox last night that the SACA has attached the team through the media

Apparently the SACA have raised questions in regards to Boof's Captaincy, also stating this will be Boof's last year as Captain

In addition there is concerns on the off field leadership and discipline of the side.

This has apparently put a wedge between the SACA and the players

If true I am expecting a big shape up at the end of the year

Do you have any news on this story



Todays press Jason Gillespie headline GILLESPIE TAKES SWIPE AT SACA

THERE ARE THESE POINTS REPORTED by the press

alleged unacceptable offside behavior of state players
a breakdown in communications between selectors + touring SA sides
fears over the developement of the sides young stars
non appointment of Lehmann as the state captain next year
Cosgroves ftness/weight issues

Gillespie says all probs should be kept in house, and calls for more support from his employers.

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No secrets with most of those agendas, just read our website
The employer panel of Nobes/Phillips/Kelly/Marsh are good enough on face value, although
I have no idea of what happens behind the scenes
Marsh is the key, he helped with the Cricket acadamy in Adelaide and Australia has
dominated from those days, he has had a stint in England and how they have improved.
Im sure he will ignite SA from here on.

The frustration is stemming from the fact that SA is underperforming with the immeasurable
talent at its disposal, if we were on top of our game and winning these reports would
probably not surface.
I say time is the essence, we have a marvellous crop of babybacks in our squad and
I am sure we can pick up a p/cup or f/cup title in the next 2-3 years
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Postby sydney-dog » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:50 am

Mal

We need to look at not just performances but other indicators, a talented squad alone want get us to the top, you also need leadership, discipline, the right approach to the game and to training

I'm not close enough to the scene, I know we all talk about Cosgroves weight, but shite, I think this is a result or an output of his attitude to the game, to training and where he wants to take his cricket

Cossy, needs to take this on board and make the sacrafices required at this level, but secondly Rod Marsh, Wayne Phillips and the SACA need to develop an environment where we don't rely on talent alone

Talent alone does not get you to the top,

Talent and desire will, the SACA need to ensure we have the right environment to enable these talented cricketeres to develop the right technique, disciplines and attiutudes towards the game to ensure personal and team success

I was blown away that Blewett is on a $260k SACA contract, if you demand this type of money, you need to earn every $$$ in every aspect of the game, preperation, training, playing, leardership
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Postby mal » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:23 am

sydney-dog wrote:Mal

We need to look at not just performances but other indicators, a talented squad alone want get us to the top, you also need leadership, discipline, the right approach to the game and to training

I'm not close enough to the scene, I know we all talk about Cosgroves weight, but shite, I think this is a result or an output of his attitude to the game, to training and where he wants to take his cricket

Cossy, needs to take this on board and make the sacrafices required at this level, but secondly Rod Marsh, Wayne Phillips and the SACA need to develop an environment where we don't rely on talent alone

Talent alone does not get you to the top,

Talent and desire will, the SACA need to ensure we have the right environment to enable these talented cricketeres to develop the right technique, disciplines and attiutudes towards the game to ensure personal and team success

I was blown away that Blewett is on a $260k SACA contract, if you demand this type of money, you need to earn every $$$ in every aspect of the game, preperation, training, playing, leardership


Accurate assessment SD, a very good post[for you]

Talent is in abundance
Coaching panel is well credentialled
The proccess off the field is acceptable
Performance by the players is the missing ingredient to success
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Postby sydney-dog » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:27 am

thanks Mal :shock:

I've seen both the NSW and Qld teams prepare for the summer and train during the summer

and I can't help to think that f Cossy was playing for either of these states he would be in an entirely different physical condition
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Postby mal » Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:07 am

sydney-dog wrote:thanks Mal :shock:

I've seen both the NSW and Qld teams prepare for the summer and train during the summer

and I can't help to think that f Cossy was playing for either of these states he would be in an entirely different physical condition


Could be on the ball another state= another philosophy
BUT we have Marsh so why are we seemingly in turmoil :?:

Its fair to say that NSW [minus test players] are a lesser team to SA in some years[+ now]
but NSW seem to perform at maximun capacicity year in year out.
They have the culture of success in them, they expect to win when an
inferior combination, whereas SA with more talent dont.
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Postby sydney-dog » Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:21 am

Mal

also on an individual basis, look at someone like S Clark, 24 months ago he had a wirey build, his build affected his bowling technique, and also his ability to bowl long spells in the longer format game

NSW coaching and conditioning team pulled together a strengthening and conditioning program, to Clark's credit he has had the motivation and discipline to see it through

Now, Clark is a very powerful athlete, he has a strong build, great core strength, this has resulted in confidence in his body, he has improved his nechanics iof his bowling and results have followed

The NSW Cricket association need to toake credit for providing the right environment, but Clark also deserves his current results for his discipline and drive

This is why I get critical at people who say Cossy's weight is not an issue, my view it is a output of his dicipline, drive and attitude to the game, he may get runs through his god given talent, but discipline and application will take him to the top of his game
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Postby RoosterMarty » Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:40 am

We just lost 3/2 and now we are 4/41. We are crap, absolutely pathetic by the Redbacks. To have them 7/77 and get almost 200 then go out and lose wicket after wicket today, it's embarrassing.
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