by auto » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:07 pm
by smac » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:30 pm
by auto » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:39 pm
by heater31 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:21 pm
smac wrote:Or SACA clubs should just concentrate on high performance/sub elite cricket. Forget the whites junior grades and forget C/D grade for starters.
by Goat Herder » Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:34 am
smac wrote:Or SACA clubs should just concentrate on high performance/sub elite cricket. Forget the whites junior grades and forget C/D grade for starters.
by Benchwarmer » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:06 am
by The Dark Knight » Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:06 pm
Benchwarmer wrote:TURF
12 (or 10) team SACA competition
ATCA for turf cricketers below Grade level
HARD WICKET
Northern Cricket Association
Metropolitan Cricket Association (central third of the city - inner suburbs and west and east of the CBD)
Southern Cricket Association
(this is assuming that the MCA would fill the need of a Western CA and an Eastern CA in terms of club locations)
either that or Northern CA and Southern CA
by Footy Smart » Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:10 pm
heater31 wrote:smac wrote:Or SACA clubs should just concentrate on high performance/sub elite cricket. Forget the whites junior grades and forget C/D grade for starters.
Certainly can the D's they are mostly made up of a couple 23/24 year olds with the recent crop of kids too old for juniors and a few talented juniors. maybe the clubs also move into a more professional era by training 3 times a week (2 nets/1 gym session a week) would certainly move a few more on quicker who won't commit to such a schedule.
by RedMagpie » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:37 pm
by RedMagpie » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:44 pm
RedMagpie wrote:My overview
10 team SACA Comp - Play each side twice with a grater emphasys on the one day comp and more games played
1's
2's
3's
17's (allowed to play 3 males over the age of 17)
Under 16's
Under 14's
Or make the SACA comp 18 teams with three Divisions and start working with a promotion and relegation. - Play each side twice with a grater emphasys on the one day comp and more games played between the divisions.
Div 1
1. Sturt
2. Glenelg
3. Northern Districts
4. West Torrens
5. Southern Districts - Relegation
6. Woodville - Relegation
Div 2
1. Adelaide University - Promotion
2. Port Adelaide - Promotion
3. Kensington
4. Adelaide
5. Tea Tree Gully - Relegation
6. East Torrens - Relegation
Div 3
1. Prospect - Promotion
2. PAOC - Promotion
3. Grange
4. Punltney OC
5. SPOC
6. Scotch OC
by smac » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:52 pm
Footy Smart wrote:heater31 wrote:smac wrote:Or SACA clubs should just concentrate on high performance/sub elite cricket. Forget the whites junior grades and forget C/D grade for starters.
Certainly can the D's they are mostly made up of a couple 23/24 year olds with the recent crop of kids too old for juniors and a few talented juniors. maybe the clubs also move into a more professional era by training 3 times a week (2 nets/1 gym session a week) would certainly move a few more on quicker who won't commit to such a schedule.
C & D grade is still very important to the development of younger players. I have seen many guys take time to develop their game and play a year or 2 in the lower grades. Jake Habberfield played a year and a half of C grade cricket and now look where he is. If you send these younger guys back to turf clubs, they will be lost to grade cricket as they will not come back and or leave the game. Also the whites grade is required for the first year 14s/16s and many of them then play reds the next season and then continue to develop. If you dont get the younger players into the system early its hard to get them later on.
by daysofourlives » Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:17 pm
RedMagpie wrote:RedMagpie wrote:My overview
10 team SACA Comp - Play each side twice with a grater emphasys on the one day comp and more games played
1's
2's
3's
17's (allowed to play 3 males over the age of 17)
Under 16's
Under 14's
Or make the SACA comp 18 teams with three Divisions and start working with a promotion and relegation. - Play each side twice with a grater emphasys on the one day comp and more games played between the divisions.
Div 1
1. Sturt
2. Glenelg
3. Northern Districts
4. West Torrens
5. Southern Districts - Relegation
6. Woodville - Relegation
Div 2
1. Adelaide University - Promotion
2. Port Adelaide - Promotion
3. Kensington
4. Adelaide
5. Tea Tree Gully - Relegation
6. East Torrens - Relegation
Div 3
1. Prospect - Promotion
2. PAOC - Promotion
3. Grange
4. Punltney OC
5. SPOC
6. Scotch OC
If it went the promotion and relegation way, I would make stipulations regarding, imports and player movement from club to club and division to division, maybe 1 club can gain 1 player from another division every two or three years, 1 club can only gain one new state rep every two years. Of course the set up would also be the same for the 3 grades below also!
by Footy Smart » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:17 am
smac wrote:Footy Smart wrote:heater31 wrote:smac wrote:Or SACA clubs should just concentrate on high performance/sub elite cricket. Forget the whites junior grades and forget C/D grade for starters.
Certainly can the D's they are mostly made up of a couple 23/24 year olds with the recent crop of kids too old for juniors and a few talented juniors. maybe the clubs also move into a more professional era by training 3 times a week (2 nets/1 gym session a week) would certainly move a few more on quicker who won't commit to such a schedule.
C & D grade is still very important to the development of younger players. I have seen many guys take time to develop their game and play a year or 2 in the lower grades. Jake Habberfield played a year and a half of C grade cricket and now look where he is. If you send these younger guys back to turf clubs, they will be lost to grade cricket as they will not come back and or leave the game. Also the whites grade is required for the first year 14s/16s and many of them then play reds the next season and then continue to develop. If you dont get the younger players into the system early its hard to get them later on.
If the pathway is right, then all cricketers will find their right level. Grade cricket should be about elite cricket. Whites cricket and C/D grade cricket is not about elitism. If there were no C grade for Jake to play in, then his development would have been fast tracked by the club playing him in the B grade as they would not have wanted to lose a talented kid to their system. I would also advocate U18s.
by RedMagpie » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:19 am
daysofourlives wrote:RedMagpie wrote:RedMagpie wrote:My overview
10 team SACA Comp - Play each side twice with a grater emphasys on the one day comp and more games played
1's
2's
3's
17's (allowed to play 3 males over the age of 17)
Under 16's
Under 14's
Or make the SACA comp 18 teams with three Divisions and start working with a promotion and relegation. - Play each side twice with a grater emphasys on the one day comp and more games played between the divisions.
Div 1
1. Sturt
2. Glenelg
3. Northern Districts
4. West Torrens
5. Southern Districts - Relegation
6. Woodville - Relegation
Div 2
1. Adelaide University - Promotion
2. Port Adelaide - Promotion
3. Kensington
4. Adelaide
5. Tea Tree Gully - Relegation
6. East Torrens - Relegation
Div 3
1. Prospect - Promotion
2. PAOC - Promotion
3. Grange
4. Punltney OC
5. SPOC
6. Scotch OC
If it went the promotion and relegation way, I would make stipulations regarding, imports and player movement from club to club and division to division, maybe 1 club can gain 1 player from another division every two or three years, 1 club can only gain one new state rep every two years. Of course the set up would also be the same for the 3 grades below also!
how doe sthis help to provide a better standard of cricket? i say split into divisions with no restrictions and it will sort itself out with the better players migrating to the top 6
by auto » Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:49 pm
by RedMagpie » Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:55 pm
automaticwicky wrote:What is the grade cricket system in NSW, Victoria? Obviously they have a greater population but they also produce way more Australian cricketers per capita.
by daysofourlives » Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:09 pm
RedMagpie wrote:daysofourlives wrote:RedMagpie wrote:RedMagpie wrote:My overview
10 team SACA Comp - Play each side twice with a grater emphasys on the one day comp and more games played
1's
2's
3's
17's (allowed to play 3 males over the age of 17)
Under 16's
Under 14's
Or make the SACA comp 18 teams with three Divisions and start working with a promotion and relegation. - Play each side twice with a grater emphasys on the one day comp and more games played between the divisions.
Div 1
1. Sturt
2. Glenelg
3. Northern Districts
4. West Torrens
5. Southern Districts - Relegation
6. Woodville - Relegation
Div 2
1. Adelaide University - Promotion
2. Port Adelaide - Promotion
3. Kensington
4. Adelaide
5. Tea Tree Gully - Relegation
6. East Torrens - Relegation
Div 3
1. Prospect - Promotion
2. PAOC - Promotion
3. Grange
4. Punltney OC
5. SPOC
6. Scotch OC
If it went the promotion and relegation way, I would make stipulations regarding, imports and player movement from club to club and division to division, maybe 1 club can gain 1 player from another division every two or three years, 1 club can only gain one new state rep every two years. Of course the set up would also be the same for the 3 grades below also!
how doe sthis help to provide a better standard of cricket? i say split into divisions with no restrictions and it will sort itself out with the better players migrating to the top 6
Ahh, that way the top clubs can't go and rip the heart and soul from from the Div 3 clubs. You don't want nuffies and scrubbers running around in the elite comp at div three level.
Imagine it did come in and Div 2 sides lost
Uni: Delmount, Bailey, Reichstein and Wise
Port: Dilley, Weeks, Walters and Swade
Kensington: Brown, McNeil, Panelli and Opie
Adelaide: L.Williams, S.Williams, Raphael, Job and Francis
Gullies: Davey, Evans and Weaver
East: Cranmer and Pickford
You would just gut the Second Division and then when a side was promoted, if it was unable to bring in any tallent, they would just get hammered back to Div 2. Also, you would have the same players each year changing clubs to try and continue to play div 1. Atleast it would keep the value of cricket throughout the grade comp legit. At least with two games against each side you could have plans in place and work batsmen out over the course of the year. Batsmen that make runs against one side, need to back it up later in the year etc. Visa-Versa for the bowlers.
by The Angry Bull » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:41 pm
RedMagpie wrote:automaticwicky wrote:What is the grade cricket system in NSW, Victoria? Obviously they have a greater population but they also produce way more Australian cricketers per capita.
They have two grade comps in Victoria if I am advised correctly. They don't met or merge at all, like Adelaide Turf and Para Districts. I believe NSW is three comps.
by smac » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:30 pm
Footy Smart wrote:smac wrote:If the pathway is right, then all cricketers will find their right level. Grade cricket should be about elite cricket. Whites cricket and C/D grade cricket is not about elitism. If there were no C grade for Jake to play in, then his development would have been fast tracked by the club playing him in the B grade as they would not have wanted to lose a talented kid to their system. I would also advocate U18s.
Not always the case Smac, Once a player leaves a District club they very rarely come back and or develop further. I have come from a Turf club and seen players leave for turf clubs(they never come back)
What if you have a strong B grade with depth in your bowling? Jake as a young bowler isnt better than the current 25-27 yo bowlers in the B grade.... where does he play? Where does he train? does he come back if he leaves? Young players in the C/D grade still have access to better facilities than 90% of turf clubs, supposedly better coaching and a clear pathway to State cricket. Once the player leaves they are as good as lost.
by oldeagle » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:17 pm
Jets had a 15 year old in the B grade GF this year, which was about fast tracking his development not because he was a defenite B grade selection.
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